Who is David Barton?And Why Does He Deserves Our Attention

and the nut case who wanted to burn the Quaran

What made Terry Jones scary?

Spread the word - or look to 1930 Germany to see the future of this country.

That's not going to be the case.

CommisarCain

Question: What made Terry Jones scary?

Answer: Oh, I don't know, maybe we should ask those dead people who were at the embassy in Afghanistan who were killed when those people got pissed that he actually burned the Quaran and broadcast it on YouTube. Too late - they're dead.

Protesters kill 12 after Florida pastor burns Quran | afghanistan ...
Apr 1, 2011 ... Protesters kill 12 after Florida pastor burns Quran | afghanistan, protesters, quran, guards, people, kabul, city, burning, sharif, compound. ... angry over the burning of a Quran by a Florida pastor stormed a ... About 100 people also gathered at a traffic circle near the U.S. Embassy in Kabul. ...
http://www.cbs12.com/articles/afghanistan-4731736-protesters-quran.html - Cached

As far as spreading the word...just by you commenting on this thread makes this story go up in the line-up and more people will come to see what's going on. Also, I have seen a bit of coverage (and not the kind of coverage that is flattering to this guy) on several different political cable stations. Gee, sure hope this story goes viral.

I would also ask you, since you didn't mention the Dominionist and how scary they are - what's your thoughts? :o)

Answer: Oh, I don't know, maybe we should ask those dead people who were at the embassy in Afghanistan who were killed when those people got pissed that he actually burned the Quaran and broadcast it on YouTube. Too late - they're dead.

That doesn't make Jones scary. That makes the people who think murder is the correct response to a peaceful protest scary. Jones didn't do anything. The lunatics in the Middle East chose to kill people, not him.

And I suppose you think it is okay to throw rocks at a grizzly bear.

Maybe I missed it, but were there any violent protests by Christians after Muslims burned copies of the Bible a while back? Just curious.

Jim, I missed that...when did it happen?

I am just thinking about how many death threats and/or attempts I would get if I bbq's a copy of the king james edition on my back porch.

It's odd Jim, but I don't remember any massacres when Bibles or flags were burned either.

Flags are one thing, they burn them all over the world. But you would be hard pressed to find a Muslim that would burn a copy of the bible.

To Muslims the New Testament is one of their holy books as well. In the same way that Christians pay respect to the Old Testament. The New Testament is referred to as the book of Injil (angel) and is given the same respect as the other non-Quranic holy books.

In many Muslim countries, burning the bible, or a torah, or book of psalms for that matter, is a very serious crime.

http://www.speroforum.com/a/17283/Muslims-burn-Bible-in-Pakistan

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pPz4xfcvu8

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE6940HY20101005

There were plenty of death threats after the display of Piss Christ, Jim. Burning the Koran to a Muslim is about as offensive as putting a crucifix in a jar of urine. Also, many prominent atheists routinely receive threatening emails from Christians. PZ Myers is just one example, but Penn Jillette, Hitchens, and Dawkins have all been threatened by Christians in addition to Muslims.

There were plenty of death threats after the display of Piss Christ, Jim. Burning the Koran to a Muslim is about as offensive as putting a crucifix in a jar of urine.

Then why weren't there massacres after the Piss Christ display?

Because our police are more effective and therefore more feared. Not that that totally stops the Christian terrorists: folks like McVeigh and abortion doctor shooters and bombers are still convinced their actions will earn them paradise.

Quit pretending the followers of your invisible friend are saints. They aren't, and you probably got really, really angry when I used the phrase "invisible friend" didn't you?

CommisarCain, would you have felt better had there been massacres. We do not hold our Bible as close to the cuff as the Muslin nation holds the Koran. Their conviction seems to be considerably stronger than ours.

Because our police are more effective and therefore more feared.

Over there the police might shoot you to death for being of the wrong religion. Over here, they give you a fair trial even when they've seen you commit a crime. I know which I'd be more afraid of.

Quit pretending the followers of your invisible friend are saints.

We Americans didn't respond to Piss Christ by killing innocent bystanders. You have yet to show any proof that we did, but you admit that in the Middle East the Koran burning caused people to commit murder.

Over there, the police might never find you. Here, you are hunted.

Still silent about those good Christians who blow away abortion doctors, I see. And the ones who set off bombs in front of federal buildings with day cares in them. Christian terrorists have murdered nearly as many children in this country as bin Laden has. McVeigh got 6, OBL 8.

Still silent about those good Christians who blow away abortion doctors, I see.

They're all in prison or dead, usually at the hands of other Christians. Compare that with the Lockerbie Bomber.

Christian terrorists have murdered nearly as many children in this country as bin Laden has. McVeigh got 6, OBL 8.

And we captured and killed McVeigh. Bin Laden was treated as a folk hero.

There are people who treat McVeigh as a folk hero as well. The Dominionist movement that several Republican candidates are flirting with is one such organization. They also see those who murder abortion doctors as heroes.

The big difference here is that we have a functioning secular justice system. They really don't care which Invisible Friend you are acting as a hit man for, and they will take you down. It is the secularism, not the Christianity that holds the crazies in check. One need only look to what the good Christians in Bosnia did to the Muslims there after the collapse of the secular government of Yugoslavia for an example outside of the U.S. Not only murder, but rape, to assure that Muslim women would bear "Christian" children.

And when we wanted to do something to stop it, it was largely the Christian right in this country, not the hippy left, that said it was none of our business to get involved.

There are people who treat McVeigh as a folk hero as well.

He didn't get a parade like the Lockerbie bomber. He got the needle. The Middle East gives terrorists parades. We give them the death penalty.

They also see those who murder abortion doctors as heroes.

And they got the needle or a life sentence in federal prison.

It is the secularism, not the Christianity that holds the crazies in check.

And most of the cops, lawyers, and judges are Christians. As it turns out, they still hate the criminals who react to dissent with murder. But for some reason, the Middle East has a culture that approves of slaughtering innocents when a book gets set on fire.

The Lockerbie bomber was a government agent, not an independent terrorist. He was given a parade for a job well done, including taking one for the team.

And I do note that you remain silent about the rapists for Christ in the former Yugoslavia, many of whom have totally escaped justice. For some reason the culture in that part of Europe that approves of the raping and killing of innocents who happen to be Muslim.

AdipicAcid - didn't you know it's ok if you're a Christian - crusades, pillage, rape - it's all good. It's only wrong when someone does it and is not Christian - just ask the Pope - have any of those pedophiles been made to pay for the destructive illegal and inhuman harm they perpetrated on all those kids?

McVeigh was put to death for crimes against our Government and the people of the United States - Lockerbie was following Government orders - kind of like our Seal Team did when they took out Bin Laden - big difference.

Adipic, the fact that the middle eastern culture sees it as acceptable for the government to hire murders only makes it worse. Their culture says that the correct response to burning a Koran is to slaughter innocents. Our culture dictates that burning any symbol is free speech. In their culture, terrorists are heroes. In ourd, they are monsters. There is no equivalence here. Until the culturenchanges, the middle east will be an awful place to live. Until they can understand that it is not good to kill innocents because someone burned a book, the middle east will be a third world area. we understand it, and they don't.

Seal Team Six, Commissar, are hired murderers. Every culture has them, and thinks that they are OK, or they are not long for the world.

And until the Christians can understand that is not OK to shoot a doctor because he performs abortions, or to beat a gay man and leave him to die of exposure on a barbed wire fence, I will treat them as differing only in degree, not in kind.

Particularly when they chant in the street that our government needs to be more informed by their holy book. They just want a Christian third world country. I don't see a different endpoint.

many believe he is involves with the white supremacist movement.

Do you have links to back that up?

According to Skipp Porteous of the Massachusetts-based Institute for First Amendment Studies, Barton was listed in promotional literature as a "new and special speaker" at a 1991 summer retreat in Colorado sponsored by Scriptures for America, a far-rightChristian Identity ministry headed by Pastor Pete Peters, which has been linked to neo-Nazi groups.^[25] However, Barton said he was unaware of the group's anti-Semitic and racist views at the time.^[26][27][28]

Then again, he's also associated with the Texas Republican Party and Glen Beck's online university.

http://candst.tripod.com/boston1.htm

Sects, Lies and Videotape

David Barton's Distorted History

This will give everyone a better insight to David Barton. Special delievery to fedupwithliberals.

So in other words, your proof is a speaking engagement 20 years ago for an organization he didn't realize was racist. I wonder if you realize how speaking engagements are booked. Typically, the speaker doesn't necessarily have any connection to the organization they've been asked to speak at, and generally, it is a staffer that makes the arrangements (not the speaker themselves).

And your assumption that the TX Republican Party and Glen Beck are racists? Sorry, your accusations don't make it true.

Somehow, despite any direct quotes or connections, those things makes him "involves (sic) with the white supremacist movement"...forgive me if I don't take it as gospel.

This will give everyone a better insight to David Barton. Special delievery to fedupwithliberals.

Thanks, but I've actually seen him speak live. I've read the texts he uses to support his teaching. I've never heard him say anything remotely racist. You may not like what he says, but to make up lies and attack his character in order to somehow disprove him reeks of desperation.

Well as the saying goes, you are the company you keep.

Things that make you go hmmm...

During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, a controversy arose regarding Barack Obama's contact with Bill Ayers, a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a former leader of the Weather Underground, a radical left organization in the 1970s.^[1] Investigations by The New York Times,CNN, and other news organizations concluded that Obama does not have a close relationship with Ayers.^[2][3][4] Ayers served on two nonprofit boards with Obama. Both Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted a gathering at their home in 1995,^[5] where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate.^[3][6]

When a conservative favorite is associated with a racist organization, it was unintentional and he didn't know the group was racist. However, conservatives were all to thrilled to try and paint President Obama and Bill Ayers as best friends over a much more tenuous link.

When a conservative favorite is associated with a racist organization, it was unintentional and he didn't know the group was racist. However, conservatives were all to thrilled to try and paint President Obama and Bill Ayers as best friends over a much more tenuous link.

So using your logic, you would agree that since Barton's "tenuous link" with a racist organization (he was invited as a guest speaker; he wasn't a member or even personal acquaintance) means that he is a racist, then Obama must be a radical leftist with terrorist ties.

Fair's fair, after all.

No, because President Obama barely met with Bill Ayers out of coincidence. David Barton chose to go and speak with that organization and associated with multiple organizations and people who have explicit or strongly implied racial issues. Even then, I'm willing to accept that the evidence linking Mr. Barton to racists or racist ideology is tenuous.

But that being said, I certainly don't need Mr. Barton to be a racist to dislike him. He's certainly said and done many other things that make me dislike his ideologies and politics... intensely.

I don't think anyone commenting here would disagree with that.