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Today's Activists Are Not Frederick Douglass Kind of Activists. We Can All Try To "Grow Up" Like Him

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A front page article from Sunday at Dailykos, Frederick Douglass: The activist who would not 'grow up', highlighted the greatness of Frederick Douglass as an effective model for activism. However, Douglass was also characterized as someone who had refused to "grow up" to advance his calling to abolish slavery in the process the article was rebutting a commentary made by Fareed Zakaria who "berated liberals for their criticisms of President Barack Obama" by urging them to "grow up". In my opinion, the commentary made by Fareed Zakaria has been used to paint a false equivalency of today's activists by comparing them with the likes of Frederick Douglass which in my opinion undermines the legacy of Frederick Douglass.
In my view, the majority of today's activists on the blogsphere are not anything like Frederick Douglass for a reason I will discuss further below. However, to give the "grow up" liberals remark made by Zakaria's a context, watch the first 4 minute of his Sunday program with partial transcript provided (bold emphasis mine):

Let me offer a simpler explanation. Obama is a centrist and a pragmatist who understands that in a country divided over core issues, you cannot make the best, the enemy of the good. Obama passed a large stimulus package within weeks of taking office. Liberals feel it should have been bigger. But, remember, despite a Democratic House and Senate, it just passed by one vote.

He signed into law an unprecedented expansion of regulations in the financial services industry, though it isn't one that broke up the large banks. He enacted universal health care through a complex program that was modeled after the Republican Mitt Romney's plan in Massachusetts. And he's advocated a balanced approach to deficit reduction that combines tax increases with spending cuts.

Now, maybe he just believes in all these things. Maybe he understands that with a budget deficit that is 10 percent of GDP, the second highest in the industrialized world, and a debt that will rise to almost 100 percent of GDP in a few years, we cannot cavalierly spend another few trillion hoping that it will jump start the economy.

Maybe he believes that while American banks need better regulations, America also needs a vibrant banking system and that, in a globalized economy, constraining American banks alone will only ensure that the world's largest global financial institutions will be British, German, Swiss and Chinese. He might understand that Larry Summers and Tim Geithner are smart people, who, in long careers in public service, got some things wrong, but also many things right.

Perhaps he understands that getting entitlement costs under control is, in fact, a crucial part of stabilizing our long-term fiscal situation and that you do need both tax increases and spending cuts - cuts, by the way, that are smaller than they appear because they all start from the 2010 budget, which was boosted by the stimulus.

Is all this dangerous weakness, incoherence, appeasement? Or is it just common sense?

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However, in my view it is difficult to consider many of the people who engage in progressive sites like Dailykos to be the Frederick Douglass type of 'activists' in any practical sense of the word because most don't think pragmatically as Douglass did. In fact, the extreme left has demonstrated time and time again that they would rather act against their best interests. They fail to understand the historic limitation of Presidencies but are ready to call for abandoning our President when the President tries to pass Health Care reform because it did not include the Public Option or when he pass financial reform because he did it without breaking up banks or when he compromise on the tax deal to get unemployment insurance with all the goodies because he did not raise taxes on the rich.

Frederick Douglass, a slave who escaped slavery to freedom and championed the abolitionist movement working within the political space afforded to him, acting like a grown up, pushed for anti-slavery policies all his life and was a pragmatic thinker who understood and appreciated Abraham Lincoln's vision of saving the Union first is the key to his life long dream of freeing the Colored men, abolishing slavery. Frederick Douglass understood without the Union being saved first, there was not going to be the Emancipation Proclamation therefore worked tirelessly to convince and assemble a negro army that were wrested from the enemy (confederate line) to give Lincoln the means and power to save the Union. Douglass' activism was not just taunting anti-slavery end results but the means to the end result by helping strategize a way on how Lincoln would be effective in his quest to save the Union and in the process make it possible to declare the Emancipation Proclamation.

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Reply#1 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:13 AM EDT
Darrah, Greenville, SC

If I understood the article correctly, a lot of those on the extreme left don't appreciate President Obama anymore and have resorted to name calling. Frederick Douglas could appreciate the way President Lincoln had visions for the future but was still able to get things done in the meantime.

Even though I'm an extreme Liberal, I don't understand why some of the other extreme Liberals are basically throwing President Obama under the bus. I see and hear the comments in different places and it's really sad. I don't know what happened to the positive energy and activism that was created while he was running for election.

If Liberals don't watch out, they'll end up with Rick Perry for a President. It'll be too late to get going then.

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#1.1 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

You understood the article as I did. I was shocked when I got an email from MoveOn.com asking me to sign a petition telling Obama if he caved again he would lose their support. I thought that rather extreme and didn't sign it. Liberals today aren't the same as yesterday's liberals. We liberals of yesterday stood by our elected officials no matter how much we disagreed with them. I disagree with Obama on somethings, but I appreciate the things he has accomplished. Do I get angry with him? Sure I do. Will I withdraw my support based on that anger? Certainly not.

Some liberals are bible thumpers and will vote for what they believe is God's plan, Rich Perry, before they vote for someone who will help them keep their jobs.

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#1.2 - Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:29 AM EDT
Darrah, Greenville, SC

I know what you mean. When I believe in a president, I'm loyal to him unless he does something extremely bad. Like some have said before, this was the first election that I really participated in. I didn't with Clinton. I didn't even like him. So in many ways, I saw this as my first election.

Presidents make mistakes just like anybody else. I think one problem is that Libs feel like he's gone too far toward the center. I got a little angry with him at times because I wanted to see him as being extremely liberal, my president just for me and my ideals. But the honeymoon wore off and I learned a lot about the real world of politics and presidents. I've never regretted voting for him though and I'll vote for him again.

Anybody with common sense knows that it has to happen to a degree. A good president tries to be one for the whole country not just their party. President Obama was never extremely left. Most of us Liberals should have known that from the beginning.

He's not "throwing the baby out with the water" just by listening to the GOP. He's smart enough to know that he has to work with Conservatives in order to get anything done at all. Sure the Conservatives are just playing around and not wanting to give him a break. One big reason is because of the Tea Party. I've never seen such a bunch of immature and mean spirited group of people in my life. They're acting like school kids who refuse to do anything until they get a new teacher. People like Sarah Palin have done this country a lot of harm but they go around whining "I want my country back! " Let them move to Texas when it becomes a country.

A lot of people on all sides are acting extremely immature.

If Libs don't have faith in the President anymore, hell let them vote for another Dem but their going to end up giving the election to Perry on a platter full of armadillo butts and bull testicles.

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#1.3 - Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:40 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

I didn't with Clinton. I didn't even like him.

I didn't like Clinton either. He was a chameleon. The jobs he created were minimum wage jobs. He was the president responsible for signing bills that put minorities behind bars for minor drug offenses. He passed the NAFTA bill.

The Tea Partyers are doing what they were hired to do and they are doing a great job of dividing and conquering.

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#1.4 - Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:53 AM EDT
Darrah, Greenville, SC

Not to mention the Monica thing. He sat there in front of the camera and told a bold face lie to the country. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." After that, I didn't believe in him at all. It wasn't so much about the affair itself, it was the lying and playing word games. And then people calling him (Cinton) our first black president.Damn. Toni Morrison had to walk that one back when we actually got our first black president.

The GOP enjoyed and enjoys rubbing that in our faces. Guess what? There are some Dems who see the damage that Clinton caused the Party. And the way he was always trying to get into the face of Pres. Obama on the campaign trail. That irritated the hell out of me. It was like two married bullies were working as a tag team. I love what Obama said to Hillary in a debate. When she said something like "I'm here my husband's not." Pres. Obama said "I can't tell who I'm running against." A pure clean punch, no low sucker punches from him and there never will be.

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#1.5 - Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Clinton is no different from the others--honesty is not his policy.

I never understood and still don't understand how Clinton got the title of our first black president. Toni Morrison later said on some talk show that her statement was taken out of context. Never the less, her explanation didn't hold water.

I didn't like the way the Clintons' ran Hilary's campaign. They tried to guilt blacks into voting for her. She had my support until that point. Obama was right, none of us knew which Clinton he was running against.

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#1.6 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:32 AM EDT
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Darrah, Greenville, SC

One thing I really appreciate about Hillary and President Obama was what happened after the election. He offered her the job of Sec. of State. I really believe he thought she was the right person for the job. I liked her diplomacy in the way she handled the offer too. She obviously had a few talks with Bill and he's kept a low profile. He might have given her advice to begin with. I love the comment she made at a Q&A where there was a "misunderstanding" of a question because of a language barrier. Someone asked her a question via interpreter. Hillary said something like " Do you think I'm channeling my husband? I'm here. He's not." That was priceless. IMO, she's done a great job.

One thing I'm seeing and you probably are too, is a sort of hate that's building for President Obama--from people on the far left. The articles and comments show the disappointment and frustration. I can understand that but to be so bitter and hateful is disturbing. Of course the Tea Party is having a real party over it. I know it's still a free country but damn. Does the left have to go so far as to start adding photos of him in a cowboy hat? (The Tea Party stayed away from that one for some reason.) The article may not be immature, but it seems a little uncalled for. It just makes you wonder what else we're going to see before votes are cast.

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Reply#2 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:45 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Bill is an expert at manipulation and an expert at diplomacy. Hiliary would be foolish not to seek out his advice.

People on the left are falling into the trap of the tea party. The Tea Party's goal was to turn the left against Obama and they've succeeded. However, Obama played a role in this also by not encouraging us to celebrate his successes as they happened.

Hilary is great at her job and I'm not looking forward to her retiring. I would have liked to see her as Obama's vice president in 2012. Together, I believe, they can accomplish a lot.

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#2.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:53 AM EDT
Darrah, Greenville, SC

Bill is good at dealing with other countries.

Yeah, I see a lot of people turning against President Obama for different reason and it's sad to see. I believe that they weren't for him as much as they thought. Maybe they were for him for the wrong reasons. Now that the honeymoon has worn off, it's time for a divorce.

IMO, the Tea Party is the worst thing that's happened to this country. They like to believe they would have been tight with the Founding Fathers. Some of them would be turning over in their graves if they could see all the divisiveness the Tea Partiers have caused.

There's been talk about Hillary and VP Biden switching places. That would work. They would be a good team. All three of them are brilliant, IMO. Michelle and Jill are too. I just don't know what people expect from a good situation. Maybe then spoiled. If Perry and Bachmann get in, a lot of people are going to wish for the good old days. Maybe even the Tea Party.

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#2.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:38 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

I agree. The tea party is the worst thing that has happened to America. One thing we must always keep in mind is who the tea party is. The tea party is not the foot soldiers but the people who are pulling the strings.

I've read quite a bit about Hitler and it seems, to me that we are heading in that direction, and have been for quite a few years. The tea party is getting exactly what they want. The actual tea party won't long for the old days but the tea party foot soldiers will.

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#2.3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
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