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Why do the Koch brothers want to end public education?

Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
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This film and investigation connects the dots and reveals why the Koch brothers are trying to end public education and how their wealth winds up in the hands of Jim Crow.

More at: http://KochBrothersExposed.com/education

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PowerIsKnowledge

What is the ultimate goal of David and Charles Koch?

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Dean Moriarty

The ultimate goal of the Koch brothers is to put and end to our governments runaway spending problem.
Help return us to a country that embraces manufacturing and develop policies that help us compete on a global level. I believe they would also like to see our consumption based economy move towards a production based economy. They are smart cookies that are true captains of industry.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:47 AM EDT
Ripley8

how much are you on the Koch payroll for Dean ?

run away spending ? why don't the Koch bros bring up corporate welfare ? which costs us at least 3 x the amount of social ?

why do they want to end public education ? there's no profit in it.

  • 13 votes
#1.2 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:04 AM EDT
Drizzey

What corporate welfare, Ripley8? Please provide a link to these gov't funded corporate welfare programs.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:30 AM EDT
Dean Moriarty

I think he is referring to cash for clunkers.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:54 AM EDT
sushicat

Okay, just trying to find some information that might explain;

This is taken from the free Dictionary site

corporate welfare

n.
Financial aid, such as a subsidy or tax break, provided by a government to corporations or other businesses, especially when viewed as wasteful or unjust: "critics who say that letting big companies raise private stock on public land amounts to corporate welfare" (Frank Clifford).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/corporate+welfare

and this,

http://www.truthdamntruthandstatistics.com/2008/03/corporate-vs-social-welfare.html

So now let’s look at the big picture. The final totals are $63 billion, 3 percent of the total federal budget, for regular welfare and $93 billion, 5 percent of the total federal budget, for corporations. So, the government spends roughly 50% more on corporate welfare than it does on these particular public assistance programs. Should we spend less on corporate welfare and/or social welfare programs? Or should we spend even more? It’s up to you. A bunch of people died horrible deaths to make sure this country remained a democracy, so if you feel strongly about this issue you owe it to them to call or write your congressman and senators and give them a piece of your mind.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
Mister Joshua

They are, in fact, opposed to corporate welfare. In fact Charles Koch frequently brings up the fact that he stands to lose much more than he would gain should the policies he favor be implemented. They also oppose the War on Drugs, War on Terror, and are in favor of gay marriage and other things like that. Those evil bastards!

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:33 PM EDT
sushicat

Really,

USDA directly attributed $319,477 in subsidy payments to Knoch Farms in Program Years 2003-2005
http://farm.ewg.org/sites/farmbill2007/person1614.php?custnumber=003671249

http://farm.ewg.org/persondetail.php?custnumber=A03671249

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:02 PM EDT
Ripley8

older , but thinking hasn't changed...

1. Fact: Spending for corporate welfare programs outweighs spending for low-income programs by more than three to one: $167 billion to $51.7 billion (source: Aid for Dependent Corporations, from the Corporate Welfare Project and How Much Do We Spend on Welfare?, from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, FY 95 figures)

2. Fact: Total federal spending on a safety net for the poor costs the average taxpayer about $400 a year, while spending on corporate welfare programs costs the same taxpayer about $1400 a year. (source: CBO figures)

Corporate welfare programs are protected at the expense of the poor and powerless. In the last Congress, spending for the needy absorbed the majority of spending cuts, while corporate welfare spending was barely touched.

1. Fact: Over 90% of the budget cuts passed by the last Congress cut spending for the poor -- programs that ensure food for the needy, housing for the homeless, job training for the unemployed, community health care for the sick. (source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, Bearing Most of the Burden, 1996).

2. Fact: Only 3.9% of total federal outlays go to programs that solely benefit poor people.

Welfare programs for corporations do not play by the same rules as welfare for people. Welfare benefits for individuals and families are limited by strict eligibility requirements and time limits, while corporations get corporate welfare benefits regardless of wealth or accountability.
1. Fact: Individuals and families must demonstrate need to receive benefits, while corporations with billions of dollars in annual income remain on the federal dole.

2. Fact: Most social spending is in the form of discretionary spending, which is scrutinized in the annual budget negotiating process in Congress; most corporate welfare programs are in the form of tax expenditures, which go on and on since they are not subject to annual review by Congress.

http://www.ombwatch.org/node/341

Corporate welfare statistics
http://usgovernmentbenefits.org/hd/index.php?t=corporate+welfare+statistics

Koch apposed to corporate welfare ? lmao !!! really ??

7 Ways the Koch Bros. Benefit from Corporate Welfare

http://www.observer.com/2010/daily-transom/how-libertarian-koch-bros-benefit-corporate-welfare

The Koch Brothers--the Corporate Welfare Kings

http://stoogeland.blogspot.com/2011/03/koch-brothers-corporate-welfare-kings.html

The Koch Bros. and Corporate Welfare -

http://digg.com/news/politics/the_koch_bros_and_corporate_welfare

REPORT: How Koch Industries Makes Billions By Demanding Bailouts And Taxpayer Subsidies (Part 1)

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/03/01/146847/charles-koch-welfare/

7 Ways the Koch Bros. Benefit from Corporate Welfare

http://exiledonline.com/a-people-history-of-koch-industries-part-ii-libertarian-billionaires-charles-and-david-koch-are-closetcase-subsidy-kings-who-milk-big-government-tyranny-but-want-to-slash-spending-on-anyone-else/

(Corporate) Welfare Queens

Koch-sponsored legislation, toxic drinking water, News Corp. climate scandal

http://earthjustice.org/blog/2011-august/friday-finds-corporate-welfare-queens


  • 11 votes
#1.8 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:30 PM EDT
IckyIck

In this production based society, will the people doing all the work get to consume anything? If so, will body parts be an accepted payment?

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT
sushicat

Like an arm or a leg?

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:10 PM EDT
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Texasguy01

Do you really believe the Koch brother want to dismantle public education? Power is knowledge as long as it is based on facts and truth and the misleading headline and propaganda videos with out a factual basis is certainly not a route to the truth.

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:10 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

  • 8 votes
#2.1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:31 AM EDT
Tom-VermillionOhio

So long it's the 'facts and truths' as accepted by David & Charles Koch. All other 'facts and truths' are unacceptable until they are approved by David & Charles Koch. That is why, as an example, scientists and engineers who work for Koch Industries work hard to create 'facts and truths' that fit the Koch ideology. If they do not do exactly as they are told, they might not get paid and loose their jobs. In this economy, that's a mighty powerful force to contend with.

  • 10 votes
#2.2 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:33 AM EDT
Texasguy01

scientists and engineers who work for Koch Industries work hard to create 'facts and truths' that fit the Koch ideology.

You are not very familiar with them. The scientists and engineers create pipelines and create and move energy, a key enemy of the Obama administrations policies. Have you considered the Obama administration may be limiting America's oil and gas policies strictly to limit the growth of the Koch business to the detriment of the entire nation?

How many jobs has Obama created vs the Koch's? How many more could they create with positive energy policies?

http://www.kochind.com/about/locations.aspx

Koch companies have a presence in nearly 60 countries and employ about 70,000 people. We continually search for new ways to create value wherever we operate: North and South America, Europe, the Middle East, Asia, Australia and Africa, applying our core competencies globally across a wide span of industry areas.

  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:41 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

This thread is not about Obama so don't come on here Obama bashing.

Who cares about what Koch companies are doing outside the U.S.!

The concern is what they are doing to destroy the quality of life for Americans who are living in America.

  • 11 votes
#2.4 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:02 AM EDT
Tom-VermillionOhio

"We continually search for new ways to create value..." Value for whom??? Does that means that it's okay to exploit to depletion without due regard towards the effects of the consequences of those exploitations at the demise of those who live and work in those lands? Does all that is living gain in some manner in their pursuit of life and happiness when that value is created? Or is that value only for those who are at the top of these corporate/conglomerate hierarchies? What's the 'prosperity' for the ordinary working individual? Or should they just shave thier legs, and endenture themselves into slavery and work for little more than for food and for fuel just to survive?

  • 7 votes
#2.5 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:42 AM EDT
wooden

I don't care if they are creating 500,000 jobs a month at Koch Industries. They have tried time and time again to poison any kind of "actual democracy" that this country has left. I'm not saying that the left doesn't have their fair share but these guys would kill their own if it meant their stocks would go up a nickel.

  • 6 votes
#2.6 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:01 PM EDT
Reply
Tom-VermillionOhio

What is the ultimate goal of David and Charles Koch?

  • Control of all aspects of the Global Economy by gaining control of the world's largest Economy, that is, the economy of the United States of America.

How do they plan on achieving this goal?

  • Shadow Government, that is the puppet mastering of all legislators, justices and all government officials and executives from behind the scenes
  • Control the air waves including all means of info sharing and communication
  • Create crisis in governments, economic systems, political systems, societal, cultures and environmental affairs
  • Take Control when current systems collapse in the chaos that their rabble-rousers and provacateurs created all the while blaming the other side

When this happens, they can create any laws that they want to and for whatever reasons they see fit, because they hold all the wealth and resources needed for society to function. They can exploit without repercussion or consequence of their behaviors and actions.

We do not have much time. Use your time wisely and with purpose.

  • 12 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:13 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Tom-VermillionOhio, you are so right!

If the Koch's get their way it'll be a scary future for all of us.

I believe it's really sad how people can't see through the Kochs. Those believing the Kochs' are looking out for their interests are fooling themselves. If they were to stop and think about it, if the Kochs' cared for the American people, they wouldn't be supporting anti-America politics.

If the Kochs' were pro-America, they wouldn't support any politician who signed that, just had a brain fart, pledge putting self-interest over the U.S. Constitution.

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:57 AM EDT
Mister Joshua

Step away from the James Bond movies Tom, SPECTRE is just a fictional organization, and such schemes are logistically impossible, hence why they occurr only in movies. Good God, this is like the Two Minutes of Hate from 1984.

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:38 PM EDT
Tom-VermillionOhio

Friend Request sent, please accept. Just visited your Newsvine column. You seem to be a well balanced person of excellent character. Please offer your insights as often as you can, where ever you can. Thanx.

  • 5 votes
#3.3 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:40 PM EDT
Orly Holmes

I figured that I didn't have to wait long before the tinfoil brigade began trotting out their Illuminati fantasies.

    #3.4 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
    Tom-VermillionOhio

    Oh, excuse me, but I just noticed Mister Joshua, Texasguy, and Dean Moriarty showed up. For a moment there, I thought you were talking about our Illumunati fantasies. But have come to realize that you were really talking about them trotting out their's. Should that be the case, my apologies, Orly Holmes.

    • 6 votes
    #3.5 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:17 PM EDT
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    Stevie-445471

    The Koch brothers are the founders of Americans for Prosperity and members of the American Legislative Exchange Council. And they are linked up with the New Apostolic Reformation. So here is the challenge do a search on ALECexposed.org and the Apostolic Reformation. See if you can connect the dots.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#4 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
    Tom-VermillionOhio

    Stevie, friend request sent, please accept. I'll check that site out. Just did, saved to favorites, thank you!

    • 4 votes
    #4.1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:43 PM EDT
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    Emmadadog

    Why do the Kochs want to destroy public education?

    The answer is so simple. The uninformed and the uneducated are so easily lead and mislead, and, oh soooooooooooooooooo grateful for any crumb thrown their way.

    And dats da truth.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#5 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:05 PM EDT
    Orly Holmes

    Exercise in mental agility.

    A single school district in Atlanta with over 200 teachers and administrators in several schools from elementary through middle and high schools are caught in one of the largest cheating and kickbacks scandals to date affecting thousands of students.

    As quickly as you can, connect the dots from Koch Industries to these ''educators''.

    You may begin.... now.

      #5.1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:54 PM EDT
      a1623AlgonquinmutTDeleted
      Orly Holmes

      Exercises in obfuscation however, will not cut it. Unfortunately for the citizens of the state of Georgia ,this is no ''fantasy''.The states AG is amassing enough man-hours as it is in bringing the biggest criminal education case in the nation to court that was concocted not by a couple of Koch brothers..

      ...but by teachers and educators....

      Next to these, the Kochs look like choir boys.

        #5.3 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:20 PM EDT
        Orly Holmes

        Exercises in obfuscation however, will not cut it. Unfortunately for the citizens of the state of Georgia ,this is no ''fantasy''.The states AG is amassing enough man-hours as it is in bringing the biggest criminal education case in the nation to court that was concocted not by a couple of Koch brothers..

        ...but by teachers and educators....

        Next to these, the Kochs look like choir boys.

          #5.4 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:21 PM EDT
          Orly Holmes

          Errata: Double-entry.

            #5.5 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:24 PM EDT
            a1623AlgonquinmutTDeleted
            Orly Holmes

            Truth hurts.

            Doesn't it.....?

              #5.7 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
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              AlphaDogReporter

              Because it's good to be King.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#6 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:55 PM EDT
              analog ninja

              so their endgame is for the us to become the lcd jobs market, following countries like vietnam and indonesia? whats the point if china has 300% more labor capacity in addition to labor pool growth as our labor pool shrinks as the baby boomers expire? and to include dominionism as part of the package? how will they compete with the asian gas/extractive services conglomerates if they are are trying to destroy the intellectual capabilities of this nation? they can effectively team up with any kleptocracy over-seas but how does this work states-side? i understand using the media for shock doctrine purposes, but at what point will this simply be ineffectual, the novelty of stimuli only lasts for so long...consumers drive the us economy, without a robust consumer market, the us economy is not going to compete the breadth of this century with china. how will the majority of people purchase dixie cups and two ply extra wide toilet paper when they have no jobs or access to jobs? aka, what will happen to the urban poor majorities? kill the poor? that i seriously doubt! their endgame is short sighted at best and smacks of desperation, these (kochs) are people on their way out of this mortal coil, not getting started...

              • 4 votes
              Reply#7 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:04 PM EDT
              Free Mason-1490678Deleted
              Orly Holmes

              Exercise in math.

              The Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan follow-the-money watchdog lists the American Federation of Teachers as one of the most influential unions in the nation, whose collective funding of political candidates [ universally, Democrats] outweighs KOCH funding for their candidates [ GOP, but a few Democrats] by what margin?

              www.opensecrets.org

              Such massive contributions to a single political party by an education union leading to more funding and political patronage should necessarily increase greater educational improvements.

              What is Americas international standing in the following areas?

              Math

              Science

              Language

              Social Studies

              Long before America had ever heard of the tea party, or Koch, was the nation creating better-prepared students?

              Or worse?

              www.edu.gov

                Reply#9 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:08 PM EDT
                a1623AlgonquinmutTDeleted
                Orly Holmes

                Quantum leaps. The interests of a single union against hundreds of millions of Americans. The Kochs are not quite ''megalomaniacal'' yet.

                ..As they haven't been able to buy off an entire American political party.....

                  #9.2 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:27 PM EDT
                  analog ninja

                  they've been fighting for expanded funding for the last 30 years because the GOP has been out to under-fund and or eliminate public education in this country for equally as long. the two factors are intertwined, of that there is no doubt.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.3 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:48 AM EDT
                  a1623AlgonquinmutTDeleted
                  Orly Holmes

                  Neither are you are getting this. While the Kochs may not ''represent'' the vaules of hundreds of millions of Americans, neither do the antics of the eternally corrupt and well-politically positioned AFT. The GOP has actually sent ever higher amounts in their trillions to education all through their tenure as majority from 1994-2006 in Congress, and 2000-2008 in the WH [ indeed, one of Bushs very first acts was the gigantic Education Bill, which he signed under Ted Kennedys authorship].

                  After such scenes as Georgia, and huge holes in state budgets due precisely to massive public sector union [ largely, AFT] pensions in which these unions place pressure on their leash-held political hacks [ all Democrats to a man/woman] that would force state taxpayers to foot their bills, and with the shoddy, lousy educational standing of American schoolkids in even the most basic disciplines of the ''three Rs'', Americans are demanding what they are getting for their money. With American education, especially as run by union hacks, the scenario is as simple as it is direct. Americans who are paying for a Cadilliac are getting an Edsel to drive instead.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.5 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:04 AM EDT
                  PowerIsKnowledge

                  After such scenes as Georgia, and huge holes in state budgets due precisely to massive public sector union [ largely, AFT] pensions in which these unions place pressure on their leash-held political hacks [ all Democrats to a man/woman] that would force state taxpayers to foot their bills, and with the shoddy, lousy educational standing of American schoolkids in even the most basic disciplines of the ''three Rs'', Americans are demanding what they are getting for their money. With American education, especially as run by union hacks, the scenario is as simple as it is direct. Americans who are paying for a Cadilliac are getting an Edsel to drive instead.

                  Orly Holmes, now explain away the segregation part of the topic.

                  • 2 votes
                  #9.6 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:15 PM EDT
                  Reply
                  madvargr

                  They are Birchers. Disgusting, anti-American scum whose dad earned their billions by building oil refineries for Joseph Stalin while creating the John Birch Society at home. They have no ethics or morals and are more of a threat to America than Al-Qaeda's wettest dream.

                  • 10 votes
                  Reply#10 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:18 PM EDT
                  a1623AlgonquinmutTDeleted
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                  Angelo Belcher

                  A smart populace tend to put up more of a fight against institutions that seek to enslave them. How will the American society know REAL job opportunities when compared to occupations such as fast food and retail, if they don't have an education or higher aspirations. That would at least BE a job, and if you aren't educated enough to know the difference, then we all come out thinking like the third world countries that have all the jobs now (for considerably less pay). They are looking to globalize oligarchy and we are one of the last frontiers, and getting rid of education wholesale would bring us closer to than plan. By then, most of us will be happy to work for $2.75 a day.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#11 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
                  Emmadadog

                  Angelo Belcher

                  How about children working 18 hours a day for pennies?

                  Many states and their TParty/Repub leaders are fighting to destroy the minimum wage and child labor laws.

                  The only beneficiary of this war against the working/middle class is wealth, the elite, big business; i.e. the Kochs, Waltons, DeVos and their ilk. Noone can argue that it is for the good of children that they be abused, used and bruised.

                  • 4 votes
                  #11.1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:14 PM EDT
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                  PowerIsKnowledge

                  The Kochs' have Nazi ties. Do you think they could be trying to recreate the behavior of their ancestors?

                  Koch Industries is the child of the violence of Buchenwald, widely regarded as one of wartime Germany's most notorious "death camps".

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#12 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:31 PM EDT
                  analog ninja

                  ouch!
                  from your link:
                  "Erich Koch (a high level Nazi official in charge of Prussia) invites Fred Koch to sell his oil in Nazi Germany when he is banned from doing business in the US. After the fall of Nazi Germany, Erich Koch and Fred expand the oil empire to the Soviet Union. Erich Koch had been in charge of Prussia for Hitler so his ties to the Soviet Union ran deep."
                  "American Fred Koch, and through association the Kochs from Germany, establish the John Birch Society in the 1950s in NY, which becomes the policy center for American conservatives. The society was built on Fred Koch's oil money in the 1950s and can be thought of as the center of neo-conservative politics as well as the Tea Party movement."

                  So yeah, dont tread on me or anything like that Hanoverian Prince George...Puking...

                  • 5 votes
                  #12.1 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:51 AM EDT
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