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Michigan governor tells welfare recipients to get a job or drop dead, either choice is fine

Seeded on Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:02 PM EDT
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Under the bill, welfare recipients will be removed from the rolls after four years, including 12,600 families who will reach their benefits time limit on Sept. 1. Overall, the change would save the state $77 million.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:03 PM EDT
Agent 57

Michigan governor tells welfare recipients to get a job or drop dead, either choice is fine

well let's see how that works... go for it... that's what the right wants... let's just see what happens... hey Snyder ball in your court...

the legislation was overwhelmingly approved by the GOP-dominated Senate on Wednesday strictly along party lines.

OK GnOP this is gonna be your mess... live with it... especially when children go without food...

“A lot of these folks are working,” she said. “They just don’t make enough money to even leave the cash assistance rolls.” “And you don’t have to make a lot—I think about $814 a month for a family of three.

  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:57 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

When children start going without food, they die. How will the Teapublicans explain that?

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:21 AM EDT
Agent 57

or drop dead, either choice is fine

PIK... I think they have already stated how they feel, JUST FINE.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:28 AM EDT
Al-2739446

I thought Bill Clinton put a two year limit on welfare benefits and that isn't much of a problem anymore.

    #1.4 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:35 AM EDT
    Al-2739446

    I actually worked in the public aid system many years ago. It was an eye opening experience. Were there some milking the system-sure. The same as you will find in any system. But, the preponderance of people were people who reallly needed help. Some were incapable of holding jobs due to a lack of socialization skills or in some cases mental illness. The system really had no solutions for real social work problems and simply atttempted to manage and control the distribution of what was in those days fairly meager funds. The indignity and abuse that many recipients had to endure at the hands of Public Aid employees was often over the top.

    As I look back, the state would have been well served to require children of welfare recipients to participate in educational programs that would enable them to break the cycle. Some of these young people never had a chance. That is something that is hard to understand if you do not grow up in those conditions. Gang violence, poor schools, negative peer pressure and lack of parental involvement are all ingredients for failure.

    But, I know that in my city there was a vested interest in keeping people oppressed and poor, so the system worked perfectly to support those interests.Much of the problem stemmed from racial segregation in the south and de facto segregation in the north. THose blacks, for example, who escaped the racist south were often ill equipped to deal with a harsh urban environment. Welfare requirements that ould not allow a father to remain in the home was as debilitating as the effect of slaver on black family disentegration. Thus, often several generations of welfare recipients. Exacerbating the situation was discrimination in the north which limited opportunities severely. The conditions we see in the inner city today did not occur overnight, they are cumulative.

    However, I am always amused by those who vilify the poor and particularly welfare recipients, while extolling the virtues of say Israel which has been on the US dole forever. How does a country exist since 1947 and we are still providing them with welfare payments? It isn't just Israel, but numerous other foreign entities where we still provide mitlitary support like Germany and Japan. These countries are on welfare-period.

    Add to that the fact that when the companies who are too big to fail were about to fail, we provided them with welfare assistance. Granted, the are supposed to pay it back, and some have, but it was still assistance.

    All I am, saying is that we should think twice before we start vilifying the poor. I have seen many middle to upper class people who have lost jobs and sunk dramatically in socio-economic status suddenly view the world from a different lens. Yes, it could be any of us.

    • 5 votes
    #1.5 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:54 AM EDT
    PowerIsKnowledge

    Under federal welfare law, states are given a block of money by the federal government to design and run their welfare programs. Each state decides who qualifies for welfare, how much assistance a family can receive, how long a family can receive assistance and the types of programs that will be available to help welfare recipients. (In some states, like California and Illinois, the welfare programs are run at the county level, so county officials are making these decisions.) Families can only receive federal welfare benefits for up to five years. A number of states have shortened this time

    period. In addition, most states have made participation in welfare-to-work programs a condition of receiving welfare benefits unless a person is excused. These time limits and work requirements may pose a problem for survivors of domestic violence, sexual assault, and stalking. For example, the time limits are often not long enough for survivors to become self-supporting. Research has shown that domestic and sexual violence keeps many women from successfully participating in and completing training programs and staying in jobs.

    • 3 votes
    #1.6 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:22 AM EDT
    Zoolopolis

    Somehow I don't think Rick Snyder's making it to heaven.

    ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    Matthew 25:40

    Not very Christian.

    • 2 votes
    #1.7 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:05 AM EDT
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    jrone

    Well, he does give them a choice...

      Reply#2 - Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:36 PM EDT
      charger383

      Where are the jobs?

      • 4 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:19 AM EDT
      Infohack

      In the face of brutal conditions facing families, Amber McCann, spokeswoman for Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville, declared, "The purpose of the 48-month limit is to ensure that resources are directed toward families that truly need them." She added callously, "As the economy in Michigan improves with the legislation that has passed over the course of these first six months, we think that 48 months is an adequate amount of time for people to find employment."

      Right, a few tax cuts for corporations are going to suddenly fix the structural problems with the Michigan economy overnight. I'm sure that the loss of manufacturing jobs in the state, a problem that goes back 30 years or more, is going to be fixed in the next 4 years.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#4 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:09 AM EDT
      PowerIsKnowledge

      What kind of human being does this to another human being?

      • 4 votes
      #4.1 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:23 AM EDT
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      Drag The Waters Some More

      Snyder had proposed a 48-month limit on welfare benefits in the budget plan he presented to the Legislature in February.

      Welfare is suppose to be a temporary fix, not a handout for life. We have too many people who think the government owes them and that simply is not true.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#5 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:09 AM EDT
      Agent 57

      I would agree supposed to be temporary ... as it should be and is for every state per federal law.... as he pushes more people in the low income brackets towards desperation and cuts funds for job training...

      House Republicans have passed bills that slash $1.7 billion in business taxes while raising taxes on low-income workers and retirees, moves that have brought thousands to the Capitol for protest rallies in recent months.

      And on Wednesday, all but a handful of House Republicans backed a $33 billion spending bill that would close two prisons, drop 12,600 families from welfare and cut money for job training, mental health and local governments.

      • 4 votes
      #5.1 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:22 AM EDT
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      DocPhil

      a disgusting animal feeding off the blood of the needy and the middle class

      • 5 votes
      Reply#6 - Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:11 PM EDT
      ggma-637196

      Its time to begin a recall on Rick Snyder. Any governor who is worthy of the name would never tell ANY of his constituents to "Drop Dead". As for getting a job, the super wealthy on Wall Street stole so much money from the economy, they left nothing to create new jobs. Shame on them and shame on Governor Snyder.

        Reply#7 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:24 PM EDT
        PowerIsKnowledge

        Michigan public school robocalling to recall governor

        • 1 vote
        Reply#8 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:13 PM EDT
        PowerIsKnowledge

        Michigan public school robocalling to recall governor

        They're trying.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:15 PM EDT
        gfs

        We are told that most of the 11 million illegal immigrants in this country are doing jobs no American citizens want.  Is this correct?  If so, perhaps finding a job would not be so difficult for people who are able to work but are picky about what they will do.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#10 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 6:17 PM EDT
        PowerIsKnowledge

        There are jobs immigrants are doing in this country that no trained American can be hired. Are there Americans who are able to work but are too picky about what they will do, yes. Are there people wanting jobs but don't have the necessary skills, yes.

        Let's focus on welfare recipients and not on immigrants or those who are picky because this thread is about welfare recipients getting jobs.

        I sit on a board where we fund agencies who provide training to those who want to get off welfare. According to their statistics, there are more people on welfare then we think who want to work. They just don't have the skills. And we're talking about first acquiring a high school diploma. Next, they have to acquire the skills an employer wants, including customer service skills. That means they need to learn how to communicate effectively.

        People on welfare can't just go out and complete an application and expect to be hired. They need training, and that includes a high school diploma.

        • 1 vote
        #10.1 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 7:50 PM EDT
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