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Clarence Thomas Must Go

Seeded on Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:50 AM EDT
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"Ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do."
-- Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:50 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

The lifetime appointment for a Supreme Court Justice is not set in stone, as Justice Abe Fortas found out to his woe forty years ago. Fortas, who was appointed to the bench by President Lyndon Johnson in 1968, was found to have taken large sums of money from litigants who appeared before the high court, including Phillip Morris. After a second pay-for-play arrangement benefiting Fortas was discovered, he was forced to resign in disgrace.

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#1.1 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:52 AM EDT
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Kavika

I agree with this post, but I wonder if we started turning over all the rocks of the other Justices what we would find. A lifetime appointment is something that I am not in favor of. It creates a certain type of ''untouchable'', that is the danger, much like our politicians who can vote for their own retirement, salary and exempt themselves from the laws that they produce. All of them should be forced to take part in everything that the common citizen has to take part in..E.G. Social Security, medicare, etc. Politicians and lifetime appointed people have no idea what is like to live in the real world. This includes every single politician. Term limit their azzes.

Rant finished.

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Reply#2 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

I'm all for term limits for supreme court justices.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT
Beau7890

I'm not for term limits for Supreme Court justices or members of Congress. Newbies usually have no clue what they're doing (as evidenced by the freshmen in the House).

But I would whole-heartedly support legislation (or a Constitutional amendment, if necessary) making independent investigation mandatory and automatic for any public official who falsifies or misleads on financial disclosure records, or who fails to recuse him- or herself from matters in which he has a financial interest—and removing them from office if they're found at fault.

  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:46 PM EDT
Kavika

Beau, I am for term limits. The members of congress that have been there forever, have no idea what the real world is like. They have accomplished little with their tenure, other then to line their pockets.

Would your legislation take in someone like Tim (turbo tax tim) Geither who forgot about the taxes owed, even though he signed documents saying he knew taxes were do? That is my point Beau, they all think that they are above the law that applies to the rest of us. ''Forgot and I misspoke are their only defense.''

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:20 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

I'm totally against career politicians.

  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:36 PM EDT
michael74967

Boehner, Pelosi, et al, would not make it in the real world, they would be subject to the same rules and laws as the rest of us. In DC they pass laws but make sure they are exempt from the provisions of them.

As for term limits give elected officials 8 years total, if they are a two term state legislator,county judge,school board member,etc.. their political career is over. No running for U.S. Congress/Senate, no Presidential bids. Appointed positions; Ambassadors, Fed.Judges (inc. SCOTUS) should end at no more than 12 years.

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#2.5 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:19 PM EDT
Beau7890

Kavika and PowerIsKnowledge, I don't see experience as necessarily the problem. Shepherding legislation through Congress does take a specialized set of skills.

But the corruption that so often results from people gaining power is definitely a problem. The legislation I'm talking about in place of term limits would require investigation of anyone involved in influence peddling to be investigated, and removed from office if found at fault. It'd end influence peddling—or ruin the careers of those who do it.

Kavika, Geithner is an appointed official who has no set term of office. The president can replace him at any time. Though I generally support Obama, I have an issue with Geithner. He should be replaced.

  • 3 votes
#2.6 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:42 PM EDT
Kavika

Beau, I don't totally disagree with your solution. My point is that any offical that is elected should have a set term then it's over. Your proposal could ever get the blessing of congress.If it did then they would find a way around it. If, like Geithner an appointed official, they should be subject to very intense scutity. His whole background is a problem not just the tax issue.

We seem to agree on this issue, but are approching it from a different view.

Waanakiwin (peace)

  • 2 votes
#2.7 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:13 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

And that's exactly the point, Kavika, they'll find away around it.

What most people fail to understand or don't know is that politicians are public servants and, as public servants, they should be there to serve the public (us) and not make it a career to screw us by serving corporations and their rich friends who own these corporations.

I also object to those born in wealth serving as politicians. How can they represent me if they haven't experience struggling? How can they represent me if they haven't experience washing and ironing their own clothes, sweeping and mopping their own floors, having to find a sitter for a sick child when I have to go to work, robbing Peter to pay Paul, etc.

If one hasn't experience the struggle, how can one relate to those who are struggling?

  • 3 votes
#2.8 - Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:17 AM EDT
michael74967

PowerIsKnowledge, I too find it hypocritical when Bohner, Obama or any other politicians says "I feel your pain", not likely since they are millionaires. It is even worse because they are the cause of a great deal of our pain.

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