Nikko Burton, a 10-year-old student at Chapelfield Elementary in Ohio, says he was humiliated by his teacher when she tried to demonstrate what it was like to be a slave on an auction block. Burton, one of two black students in his class, was chosen to be a slave. Students who were the "masters" inspected the "slaves" to see if they would be able workers.
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Education or sheer racism on the part of the teacher?
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This is a case of a teachable moment gone very wrong on the part of the teacher. There was a famous experiment of what was called "Blue Eyes, Brown Eyes" in a classroom where the results were remarkable and important. This teacher's exercise was not founded in any kind of logic.
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As Norcal2 pointed out, it was a teachable moment, but the teacher went about it the wrong way. If she'd had every student subjected to being a slave, maybe it would not have turned out as badle. That is, the insulted student would have had a chance to be both the slave and master. As would have all the other students.
But, then again, the kid could've still felt hurt just from playing the slave role, even if he'd also played the master role.
Maybe just asking for volunteers would've been better and then question the volunteers after to see how the exercise made them feel.
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I guess, mental deficiencies are not only genetic, but cultural.
Heck of a job, Midwestern Ohio.
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Wow!
It appears that we're going to continue to experience this nightmare over and over again because I don't see it stopping.
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Stupidity is more like it. How can you do that in a classroom? Why would anyone do something like that?
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"Why would anyone do something like that?"
Now that is a good question! I can't imagine how anyone would benefit from something like this, absolutely despicable.
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Here we go again. When did teachers become so, no other way to say it, flat out stupid? What, did this teacher have her head buried in the sand the last two decades? I can't see where someone who has to have a degree and a license to teach would ever think of something like this as acceptable.
Unreal.
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Two words, Texas textbooks, remember to them slavery was an economic solution..
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What does Texas have to do with it, it happened in an Ohio Classroom.
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This might work on the college level, but on ten-year olds it is just plain wrong.
This idiot teacher is likely part of a union who will protect him/her.
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I don't think unions have anything to do with this.
There is so much more technology in schools today. This teacher could have shown videos, or movies to make the point.
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Obviously 10 year olds are not only pretty tacky, but find insult where there is none in many cases. That has more to do with the parents than the students though.
Still, the teacher could have taught the lessen better if done in a slightly different manner.
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I agree with you there Lynn. Somewhere she didn't pick up the most imporant message in her education.
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Good morning Power. Don't really see the need for going that far. We were all taught about the horrors of slavery without making anyone in the classroom feel singled out. I wouldn't say racism, just that the teacher is an inconsiderate, insensitive jackass. Showing a clip from "Amistad" would have been more effective. I also feel putting a 10yr old in that possition is an open invitation for a bully to step in. Teachers should know better.
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I wold have thought somewhere in her/his education they would be aware of those moments Norcal mention, the experiment of the "Brown,Blue Eyes" and the impression it had on the kids and the teacher. And there are other studies that should have been discussed in her class when she was going through school.
It's a good lesson, but using ten year olds was probably the worst part of it. Now if she did this to high-schoolers or college kids, it would be more acceptable and the students would be better at expressing their emotions and feelings about the experiment.
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Older kids would have a better understanding of the lesson because of their greater emotional and intellectual maturity. 10 year old kids can't quite grasp the subtleties as easily and parents get their knickers all in a twist over stupid stuff.
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I shudder to think how this idiot will teach the civil rights era - hosing down students and beating them with nightsticks before lynching one of them?
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"The principal called to apologize to Burton and his mother, but Nikko is still waiting on an apology from his teacher."
This teacher will not apologize, unless forced to, because she does not think she did anything wrong. If she did, she wouldn't have committed this oh-so-subtle act of hate and bigotry in the first place.
An omen of things to come, sadly.
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The teacher could have just as easily arranged for a field trip to the local Black History Museum where they would have showed films appropriate to this age group.
I agree with you Emmadadog when you say she won't apologize unless forced because she doesn't think she did anything wrong. There are alot of people like her who are insensitive, ignorant, and who has to do it their way because it's the only way. She's the individual who'd say a Black person is well spoken or knows how to articulate.
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PowerIsKnowledge
Kindasorta like the person who will say "He's pretty smart considering he's a N----r." (No insult intended)
I would like to know if it's a public school or a "voucher school". The child appears to be wearing a uniform shirt of some type-but I really can't say for sure.
If it is a "voucher school", that would explain why and how this was allowed to happen and would justify why the "teacher" will probably not be disciplined.
I was wrong, not for the first time and definitely not the last, it is a public school. And that makes it even more indefensible.
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If other students touched the one, especially where it was common to do in slave days to determine the ability to breed or reproduce, that is sexual assault and teacher should be prosecuted for encouraging it.
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The teacher could have just as easily arranged for a field trip to the local Black History Museum where they would have showed films appropriate to this age group.
Actually no. It is not easy to arrange a field trip across the street, never mind to any type of museum. There is also very little money in the kitty for such extravagances when schools have so many other expenses to meet first. Yes, field trips however educational are considered an extravagance these days. Sad, eh?
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Actually no. It is not easy to arrange a field trip across the street, never mind to any type of museum. There is also very little money in the kitty for such extravagances when schools have so many other expenses to meet first. Yes, field trips however educational are considered an extravagance these days. Sad, eh?
Actually, yes.-it's called fundraisers. Parents and students can get out on the corner and generate traffic to their fundraiser. In my area it goes on all the time: yard sales, mulch sales, getting a percentage from restaurant sales, developing partnerships between schools and local businesses who are happy to contribute, and the list goes on. The problem is many parents and students are too lazy to help themselves. or they are too obstinate to go to the public library to borrow a book on fundraising because its easier to place the full burden on the schools.
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very little money in the kitty for such extravagances when schools have so many other expenses to meet first.
like the athletic department...oh wait....they always get enough money....unlike the academic departments.
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She can not see what she did wrong, she is not the right material for teaching.
She needs to be cross trained into something else. Let the union pay for it, and get her out of the class room she is not fit to teach in.
She has learned nothing, and the students did their best to teach her. She's in the wrong profession.
Ohio .... what standards do you follow?
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good seed... we have such a deluge of 'news' its good to revisit and keep certain events in the eye of the public.
:)
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Yes, field trips can be done. But I stand by my original statement that they can be difficult to arrange.
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Fieldtrips are difficult for lazy people to arrange. Administrators who know how to arrange them are often too happy to help because they too would like for students to experience education outside the classroom.
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You are right. Some administrators are totally amazing and will go out of their way to do something to enhance the educational experience of students in their charge.
Sometimes it is much more than that. More than simple laziness, or the many hoops needed to be jumped through when it comes to the fundraising, and all that goes with that. The aggravation, time and effort is more than worth it when compared to the value the kids get out of both raising the funds and taking the trip.
Sometimes it just comes down to insurance and liabilities and all sorts of garbage that place walls between that idea/need/desire to do something positive and actually being able to do it. Running into that immovable wall, administrators pass the buck up to school boards that refuse to be moved. What a pain in the butt.
It does sound as though you live in a district that enables field trips without the impossible politics. Those are lucky kids right there. What a shame all kids can't have that.
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Sometimes it just comes down to insurance and liabilities and all sorts of garbage that place walls between that idea/need/desire to do something positive and actually being able to do it. Running into that immovable wall, administrators pass the buck up to school boards that refuse to be moved. What a pain in the butt.
This is a smoke screen to justify laziness.and the unwillingness to take the challegencing steps it takes to get what your child needs. There are many businesses including the local chamber of commerce who can help with this. People shouldn't have kids if they don't want to fight the good fight.
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I took my kids out of public school and home schooled them for a number of years. It was amazing and wonderful and fun. Field trips could be arranged at the drop of a hat, or with great detail - every moment planned carefully. Either way, always easy.
Still I'm curious, how exactly would you go about getting a field trip set up when the administration and school boards both say "No" and absolutely refuse to budge? What are your suggestions when others have already taken every step available to change the system, short of forcing the issue through the courts?
While all my other children have long since graduated high school, college, university and trade schools, I've got one more almost old enough to start kindergarten. So any suggestions you have on moving the immovable could come in handy, and be greatly appreciated.
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Still I'm curious, how exactly would you go about getting a field trip set up when the administration and school boards both say "No" and absolutely refuse to budge? What are your suggestions when others have already taken every step available to change the system, short of forcing the issue through the courts?
I never accept no as an answer when it's something I want and am willing to fight for. After receiving the school board's response in writing, I'd start a one parent letter writing campaign starting with the Superintendent for the Board of Education, in Washington, DC. From there I'd find organizations who support my cause and write them, newspapers, and every other organization I can find, and to find some of these organizations I'd start with my local librarian. I can't offer you more because I've never faced anything like this but where there is a will, there is a way! You just have to keep at it until you make a crack in the wall and we all know what the results of a crack is.
School boards are made up of parents and I just can't imagine any school board not supporting field trips.
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A great museum that teaches students about slavery is http://www.greatblacksinwax.org/. When friends and family come to visit I make this first on my list of places to visit.
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Thank you for the suggestions. Much appreciated.
Oh and great link too! Should I ever find myself in your neck of the wood, I'll definitely make a stop there. I had some really interesting stuff on the subject when I home schooled, but this website (museum) has some great lesson plans. (bookmarked for future references)
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I don't know if I would go as far as to call the teacher a racist.....I would like to think this was a momentary lapse of reason and a really bad idea with poor execution.
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Definitely poor execution on this lesson. I can see where the teacher wanted to take this and what the point was. Didn't fly very well unfortunately.
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I was out bid by the other black student.
Somewhere there's a few hundred bible verses that condemn what you just said...
You should go look them up.
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Somewhere there's a few hundred bible verses that condemn what you just said...
They are probably in the...wait for it...Bible.
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IMO - the teacher made a bad call. And the teacher is wrong for not apologizing. But there's something about the hyper-sensitive society we've fostered here in the States that just irks me. The family of the child needs to stand up and be above the issue. Instead, they're taking the victim's route and I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers got involved
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Unfortunately, Ohio seems to be becoming the Mississippi of the Midwest.
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stew.pidbeatch, The family of the child needs to stand up and be above the issue.
What the hell does that mean?
Instead, they're taking the victim's route and I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers got involved
And the family of the child would be within their right to hire an attorney since the child was a victim of this teacher! And the parents will become victims of this insensitive and obnoxious teacher and the school board if they don't act upon this.
Bad calls like this can cause a lasting effect on a child.
This issue should not be taken lightly. And hopefully, you don't have a job where you have the opportunity to influence young minds.
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This child has no choice. Attending school is the law (how the hell that happened i'll never know, but)...
since this child has no choice but to go to school, the school is under obligation to make it a safe place, a place where education is offered at a high level of quality. Foremost, those who hold authority in the classroom MUST NEVER BE THE SOURCE OF VICTIMIZING ANY STUDENT EVER. and must provide leadership so as to maintain a pristine environment in which to learn.
(If) this educator had a lesson plan... then in this day and age, at the level most (and i mean most) of the population understands... one does not teach on the topic of slavery by placing white and black students in THE DAMN ROLE! just as they would not teach internment by placing Japanese students IN THE ROLE!
any @!$%# knows this. and i've met quite a few @!$%#s that do.
I expect more from an educator.
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Years ago at Williamsburg there was a re-enactment of a slave auction. People were "upset" at the historical re-enactment of what WAS COMMON during the time (particularly in THAT locale - upper crust Virginia). It was denounced as inappropriate for the setting. EXCUSE ME! Inappropriate - it was their COMMON HISTORY. There are black people employed at Williamsburg TODAY and employed to be representative of the time period they represent. That time period had "slavery" as one of its tenets (particularly in Virginia and southward) You don't change HISTORY to make it PC. (Not only "don't" but "CAN'T" - it's impossible - although some in Texas are apparently TRYING)
now as to this one - A fifth grade class might be a little YOUNG to understand the significance of exactly what was happening (Ipods and laptops notwithstanding) BUT the HISTORY of the events is REAL. A "better" way to teach this "living history lesson" would have been to draw names and the names drawn were to be the "slaves".
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tobor ybor comment #17.
You devalued the situation trying to qualify it.
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those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
It was "politically insensitive" given the current make-up of the sheeple - but not "unconscionable" as some seem to think. Our president would have not even been able to hold most elected offices, say, 80 years ago. If someone wanted to do a presentation on "overt racism" and a black kid were to chosen to play the part of Barack Obama "as then" and "as now" that would also be "taboo"? Break the cycle of ignorance by exposing it to the KIDS (just like the brainwashing of religion - you teach them early and they NEVER FORGET IT)
Oh, and I am a liberal and none too happy with the functional illiteracy in the schools
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tobor ybor, Break the cycle of ignorance by exposing it to the KIDS
Who on this thread is arguing against teaching about slavery? I believe you're confused about what this seed is about.
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tobor ybor has some excellent points. We've become so PC and over sensitive to the ugly underbelly of some of our history that we all find insult where there is none. If we can't show all of it as it was, what is the point of showing any when what is shown is prettied up to the point of being false?
We can put cute little outfits on our dogs all we want, but in the end that's still a dog under all that. History is the same. Sure the teacher could have done things a little differently, and perhaps then the lesson behind it would have been more important than an imagined insult that wasn't intended to be there.
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No one is arguing against teaching about slavery. It's the method that's being discussed.
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tobor... a recent survey was done in which young people (not 5th graders) were polled as to who bin laden was.
Most did not know.
Teach......... victimize.
fine line. a professional teacher SHOULD know this. Fire her. Now.
we are lowering our standard.
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Next we will be demonstrating what it feels like for a teacher to have a foot kicked up her ass.
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better......... lets teach about Columbine by using teachers representatively.
when you introduce something such as this teacher has... one must first live in an envrionment that has been free of the 'outcome' by some distance. and even then... NOt on FIFTH GRADERS.
total ignorance or intent.
either is unacceptable in a professional educator.
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Wrong on many levels, if there had been a point where this child was the master , maybe. But touching went to far in any case..... Since this is a older news story, does anyone know it the teacher apologized later?
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I do not see the connection, your the one that tagged me.. odd way to run a seed.
By reading your other tags, It looks to me like we agree.
If you have a beef with what I said, then I think you should address it. Otherwise clean up your mistake.
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The teacher needs to be fired. The school system needs to publicly apologize to this child.
10 years old.
This was just plain mean. There was no learning value.
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You're absolute correct skeptic-227981, there was no learning value and if the teacher isn't reprimanded, the teacher won't learn from the experience.
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I see no value in 'role-playing' a slave auction with children no matter what the make up of races involved. How can anyone think that it's a good idea or a good way to teach by assigning children that young the role of being a slave? It doesn't matter if the child is white, black, green or purple imo. It is humiliating for any human being to be treated as less of a person by others and for young children it is just downright abusive for a teacher to place them in this situation.
I hope the little boy can move beyond the ignorance of this so-called teacher and that the idiot with the teaching degree is not allowed to continue in the profession.
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I think if every student (if we have to use the students at all) played both sides of the issue, it could very well have been a great learning experience. Done wrongly, we have all kinds of embarrassing things happen as a result. I know because I've been there, done that with one of my own kids at that age.
However, along with the roles a very in depth explanation as to what happened and why would be needed. People who were slaves were considered as sub human, and at auction were treated much the same way as any horse would be. Slaves were a significant financial investment and would be inspected very closely for a variety of reasons. For human beings it would be nothing short of humiliating and embarrassing to be treated in such a way.
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However, along with the roles a very in depth explanation as to what happened and why would be needed. People who were slaves were considered as sub human, and at auction were treated much the same way as any horse would be. Slaves were a significant financial investment and would be inspected very closely for a variety of reasons. For human beings it would be nothing short of humiliating and embarrassing to be treated in such a way.
Deserves repeating, daMamma.
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