What Conservatives Really Want: To Run America According To Their Worldview in All Areas of Life

Even if you despise their ideas, you have to admire the planning and discipline they put into implementing it.

Just imagine, they've been going at it since the turn of the 20th century. Ever since the first labor laws they've been working to take us back to their Robber Baron heydays.

With strategies created at corporate financed think tanks like Hoover, America Enterprise, Heritage they are almost doing that.

They use corporate media to promote Trickle Down Economics until it's a matter of faith to Americans. Even now, after it almost wrecked the world economy, people still think giving tax cuts to the rich and deregulation while screwing everyone else is great.

Now the GOP is at the last step to making Democrats irrelevant by destroying their last financial base, government employee unions. The a knife at their throats, Democrats are barely able to work up the courage to stop them.

The GOP has chosen the way of power and the corporate powers to back them. The rest of America be damned.

Johnny Boy "Agent Orange" Boehner and his gang are testing the waters in Wisconsin and Indiana. Once they fall it will spread like wild fire.

This is getting scary.. two years ago it was all Obamas fault as soon as he took office. How dare him add the 2 unfunded wars into the deficit to show the people what was real.

Last year it was Illegals taking our jobs, leaving headless bodies on the streets and having anchor babies.

Now it's public employees and the unions. Their pensions and health care. Oh don't get me started on Health Care...UGH!!!

I'm afraid to see whats coming next. But I got a sinking feeling it's going to be our SS & the big kahuna Medicare...

Ever get that feeling your being followed and watched??? Be afraid be very afraid!!!

Thanks PowerIsKnowledge.

When we have people who actually voted for the current crop of Complete Asshats ie:

Governor "I'm OWNED right up into my ass by the Koch brothers" Walker,

Paul "I may have dumbo ears and an Eddie Munster haircut but I'll send you into poverty" Ryan,

John "I'm ready to shove my glowing orange boner up America's ass...so be it" Boehner,

Mitch "No matter how hard you bitchslap me I'll still be lipless" O'Connell,

Michelle "I'm the crazy bitch Michael Douglas should have warned you about" Bachmann

and all the other pieces of steaming excrement that make up the tea party and the republicans, we are in serious trouble.

Brainless Americans voted these clowns into office and all of us will have to pay for it.......jeez is......

John "I just dumped in my pants" McCain still here?....

God Help Us.

That's some serious name calling there, Brianne. Do you think it adds to the discussion?

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Regarding this

Budget deficits are a ruse, as we've seen in Wisconsin, where the Governor turned a surplus into a deficit by providing corporate tax breaks, and then used the deficit as a ploy to break the unions

Gov Walker claims what he did was offer a two year tax break to any corporation that wanted to move there- not to existing WI corporations. Is this true or a lie?

That's some serious name calling there, Brianne. Do you think it adds to the discussion?s

venting is good and it takes on various forms. ...relax

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20110201/APC0101/102010421/Wisconsin-Governor-Scott-Walker-signs-tax-cut-bill-into-law

Two tax cuts he's already signed — along with one that's passed the Assembly — would add about $117 million to the state's budget problem over the next two years.

The $1 million tax cut bill he signed Monday takes effect this tax year and affects taxes due in 2012. Companies that have not operated in the state for two years could essentially get their corporate and personal income tax obligation in Wisconsin erased for a two-year period. At least 51 percent of the workforce's payroll, or at least $200,000 in wages, must be paid to the workers in Wisconsin to qualify.

For example, only $1 million in tax breaks is expected to be distributed to qualifying businesses that relocate to Wisconsin under the bill Walker signed Monday. Another tax cut Walker is backing that's tied to every new job created would come with a tax benefit of only between $90 and $315 per job.

Read more: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20110201/APC0101/102010421/Wisconsin-Governor-Scott-Walker-signs-tax-cut-bill-into-law#ixzz1EhdOQKpP

Summary of Walker's Budget Repair bill.

Gov Walker claims what he did was offer a two year tax break to any corporation that wanted to move there- not to existing WI corporations. Is this true or a lie?

it's a lie, did you expect the truth from a Republican these days?

Wiscons Tax Cuts

http://blogs.forbes.com/leesheppard/2011/02/15/wisconsins-cheesy-tax-cuts/

What Conservatives Really Want: To Run America According To Their Worldview in All Areas of Life

That's a big shocker. It is my impression that is exactly what the liberals want to do as well.

#1.10 thanks for the link. The Forbes article discussed all of Gov Walker's tax initiatives, which as the author asserted is as bad as it is dangerous policy.

But on the issue of corporate tax cuts (which are already too low- $630 million on a $12 billion budget), there were two new issue he campaigned on and has won approval of:

Walker won approval of a program that would excuse relocated small businesses from part of their income tax liability by means of credits that can be carried forward to future years (presumably pushing the $67 million revenue cost forward as well). Another new law will allow the state department of commerce (not the state tax administrator) to award an additional $25 million of economic development credits, raising the cost of the existing program to $100 million over two years.

So he wasn't exactly lying, just not stating the whole truth. The guy's a snake.

Victor

Im with you on that. To think both sides dont want the same thing is just kidding yourself.

That's why compromise in politics is so very important, Maybe our world view should be something along the lines of learning that neither is right or wrong, but a blend of both is good for society as a whole.

spellchecker missed a mistake in your headline, since the incorrect spelling is a real word.

The i is missing from ruin, and it appears as run...

Conservatives really want to ruin America...

Victor Pratt Thanks for the oasis of sanity. This is a typical far left tactic from Mao's Little Red Book. Accuse others of what you are doing to divert attention from your plans. Conservatives are just trying to hold their own. i.e., to try to stop excusing criminal behavior, reverse liberal spending, and create jobs for those that want to work so we can support the non-taxpaying liberals.

demmywemmy....they don't deserve or get one inkling of respect from me. period. i firmly believe they will cause serious damage to this country and they don't know or practice the word "civil". i have no intention of taking the high road with these people because they don't travel that path.....it would be pointless and foolish....and quite frankly i could care less what they think of me....i sleep just fine

that's funny. I was thinking that you don't deserve one inkling of respect from... well... anyone. Try to stay calm and have a rational conversation instead of all the name calling.

you just keep on thinking away there.....i couldn't care less.....your thoughts mean zero......go find someone that cares about you.....because i don't.

if you think you can tell me what to do.........you are mistaken pal

You see, that is the problem with your type.. you don't care... or ever re-evaluate yourself. You're stuck and you aren't changing. This is the problem with the world. Everyone thinks they are RIGHT and anyone who opposes their view point is WRONG. Heaven forbid you think it through and actually try to improve yourself as a person.

No No No...you're wrong. I used to care a lot more and tried and tried along with our President to get along with republicans and tea partiers....I TRIED.

Unfortunately, when the only response was NO...thus the Party of No and every move was made to discredit our President and work against him THAT's when I stopped being nice about it. I refuse to be civil to people who have NO intention of reciprocating. Every name on my "name calling" list above can go straight to the "Hot Place" as far as I'm concerned.

I'm DONE. Done trying to appease the right. It's a waste of time.....by the way - you don't know jack about me so don't you dare assume you do.

Brianne Oshiro

I am sorry but the President did not try to pursue a moderate agenda or compromise on issues. Obama along with Reid and Pelosi went after a hard left agenda, and democrats are now reaping what they sowed.

Looks like we got the keys to the car back last November and somebody is cranky about it.

Chuck1968 - A REAL Man....thanks babe :)

PowerIsKnowledge - It's like all of a sudden these rightwingers expect "civil discourse" from us because the President asked everyone to be civil. The problem is I'm only going to go so far with that if I get nothing in return.

I'll be nice and try to hear your side while you just try to bang me in my ass......aint gonna happen. This girl doesn't drink the tea.....or fox nazi news kool-aid.

As for my list of republicans and teabaggers with descriptions attached to them......I call it like I see it. Every single person on that list is an Anti-American Asshat. Those that disagree with that....well in the words of the Weeper of the House..."So Be It". You can kiss their ass but I'm sure as hell not going to......the list didn't even include that bag of lunchmeat from Alaska because she hasn't been elected to anything....Quitting doesn't count.

JW - I'm not even going to bother......

Too wet behind the ears?

Not worth the effort Forrest

What is it to be "American" anyway? Everyone seems to think that anyone who disagrees with their point of view on politics is "Anti-American".... can anyone really define "American"?

Sure Skot1sh, it's a person in pursuit of their personal dreams and goals... in a country with a guiding premise of all people creating equally. Anybody should be able to join the club... and in fact many have, but unfortunately somewhere along the line... the responsibility a person has to themself and their goals... and the consequences behind their choices got mucked and muddled between people telling others what they should be doing, and the creation of laws to protect ourselves for making stupid mistakes.

But the dream still exists, and being American boils down to believing in that one guiding premise, and pursuing whatever dream it is you seek... be it a doctor or a train riding hobo.

Anyway... that would be my take on what it is to be American, and the beauty of being an American is the realization that you or the person next to me may feel differently and still be no more wrong than I am. My hope is that my fellow Americans believe in the premise... because I think that it is the one principle that has made our country so unique to any other place in the world, and that people could understand that we all seek and want something different and that nobody can give us all exactly what we want.

Brianne Oshiro... I think it says a lot when people with similar political ideologies are calling you out on your lack of input to a running conversation. You declare you tried to get along with Republicans... and you got No. But somewhere down the line, I doubt that you personally tried to understand the opposing viewpoint. It's different from yours, and thus it's wrong. You make poor, vile jokes that do nothing but put you at eye level with the people you revile. And consider for a moment, that blanketing an entire group of people by a perception such as yours would not only be a misrepresentation... but is in line with the logic employed by a person who judges others by race, sexual orientation, etc. And then second, consider that not one person in Newsvine is any of the people in your "list", and perhaps attempt to talk to us and forge a conversation so that we can all come to some level of understanding. Isn't that the point in participating in a forum, or was it just to be a reactionary?

Thanks RatPoison... and I agree with you about both what it is to be "American" and your interpretation of Brianne's actions. Someone who disagrees with your particular point of view is not Anti-American... they are just not YOU.

Snooooozers.....do you want fries with that?........you're holding up the line........Next

........... what?... oh.. you're working at McDonalds... yeah... that makes sense now...

I don't work there.

I guess we know what you think of people that work at McDonalds though.....what are they beneath you? Not good enough for you because they work there? You implying that the good people who work there aren't as smart as you?

Whatever

Don't drop down to play the game Skot1sh. From what it looks like... she's here to be a cheerleader for one viewpoint. As long as there isn't an actual discussion of varying viewpoints, her statements cause no more ripple than that of a water-strider, and for the rest... it basically devolves into behaving like a troll... baiting for a child-like argument of name calling and na-na-na-na bo-bo's.

If you would like to target a response to something that you disagree with Brianne Oshiro, then I would be more than happy to read it and discuss it with you. I am truly curious on how you'd define or determine what constitutes being American.

Until the tea party and/or republicans take the right away.....being American is having the right to say and believe what ever you want. I'm exercising that right. You don't have to like it or agree with it. I don't care if you do or not...and I'm under NO obligation to defend myself to YOU....go write a novel or go play in traffic.....do whatever you want...I don't care what you do or what you think. That's my right.

.....being American is having the right to say and believe what ever you want. I'm exercising that right.

I agree that is your definition, and that of many others, without regard to anything else. I disagree that the statement constitutes a full definition and suggest that many of the problems we are now encountering are a result of that very view.

You're probably right Socrates....too bad you're dead.....we could use your wisdom in this day and age.

You think I'm asking you to defend yourself?, no... I'm asking you about your viewpoints. You don't need to be "defensive"... I don't know what your ideology would have you do, but I do make an effort to abstain from making assumptions and stereotyping others. The notion that you'd have to defend yourself explains a lot though. It also shows that you perhaps didn't read my definition, or perhaps that you don't believe that I wrote what I actually think. I'm not sure which to pick.

You know... the whole thing about do whatever I want to do... and not caring is actually a great sentiment... I agree with that and it applies to a lot of what I consider to be mucking up the country's situation. People putting their noses into places and things it doesn't belong...

I'll explain... everybody wants something different from life, different goals, different dreams, different choices, and opinions... and I think that's at the heart of freedom and America. But what I find is that there is a lack of personal responsibility at various levels in our current generations... that when bad choices are made, stupid mistakes happen... people first look for somebody to blame, and then sometimes... look for the government to "protect" them from repeating the mistake.

This practice creates an environment that takes consequences out of the equation. With no negative reinforcement for bad mistakes... the mistakes will continue to happen. And eventually... if the trend continues, things will get so constrained and tunneled into one particular path that creativity and the freedom to explore are lost in exchange for safe and secure.

A lot of this country's history and progress come from creativity, and risk... from the time the first ships arrived, to the first successful colony, to challenging an empire, and on down the line.

A favorite quote that I've used much too often this past year from Mahatma Gandhi, "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes."

What do you think Brianne Oshiro?

Ahhh rats. I have to go to work. Believe it or not this deadbeat, freeloading, government hand out girl....actually has two jobs, works 62-68 hours a week, graduated from college and loves playing texas hold em. I pay taxes, drive a convertible eclipse, smoke a pack a day of marlboro silver (i know i know!!) and I'm a HUGE White Sox fan .....besides being a pain in the ass....haha

SO...I promise when I get home and before I get too drunk I will respond.....you better be careful though....you just might end up liking me hehe....I'm so serious!...laters for now

Sorry...I didn't get home until 3am and fell fast asleep on my couch haha....

Okay. Defend myself. It has become increasingly more difficult to carry on a give and take conversation with a right winger. I think the reason for that is simple. We (as a society) have gotten to the point where once we've made up our mind, we are right and you are wrong. In that regard I'm guilty as charged. I know what I think, feel and believe. I am a Democrat. I do not agree or support anything on the republican agenda. Therefore, when someone is in my face trying to push their idealogy on me I push back. Right? Probably not....but I'm not going to change who I am or what I believe for someone else.

I agree that when people make bad choices stupid mistakes often happen. However, it goes back to what you might think is a bad choice the other thinks is a good choice. So who's right? You? Because you think you're right? Or the other because they think they're right?

I tend to agree with a lot you say.....but that doesn't matter to someone who doesn't agree. So do we spend all day trying to change someone elses viewpoints (when they're set in their ways) or do we just let them believe what they want because they have that right and choice?

One of my favorite quotes is from the former U.S. Attorney General (under LBJ)

"A Right is not what someone gives you, it's what no-one can take from you" - Ramsey Clark

Brianne, I agree with many things you say, however some may be hypocritical. My issue was with you calling all those people "Anti-Americans" like they are some how communists working against America and trying to bring down everything that we, as a nation, have built. A republican may not agree with you and may do things that you don't like, but that does not make him/her an "Anti-American." You feel free to be a democrat, believe in what you want to believe in, that is your RIGHT. But don't criticize me or anyone else for what I believe in. If you are pro-choice, that is... well.. your choice. If I am pro-life... i should be able to live my life that way (without being criticized or called names). You may hate all those politician's views and choices for where they believe this nation should head, but the name calling is not appropriate. If you don't like them, don't vote for them, that's your right. Calling them Anti-American is not appropriate.

"Restriction of Free Thought and Free Speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us". - William O. Douglas

Again....you don't decide what is appropriate for me. You don't. But you can think it is if you want to.

I'm not restricting your free thought... i am saying that slander/libel (which is a crime) is not appropriate.

dislike them if you want to, but don't say untrue things.

Brianne Oshiro, you may not like this statement... but I've feel obligated to make it. You may not be as much the Democrat as you think...

Now, I am not saying you're a Republican either... in fact, I don't encourage party loyalty at all. In these current days, media... party loyaltists, career party politicians are all pushing forth a divisive message to anybody willing to listen or read it. The divisiveness encourages and solidifies both of the mainstream political parties. The more divisive the message, the more people align themselves with one group... and the two parties need this behavior more than ever.

Something else I see... is that a lot of people will associate themself with one party and only that party yet not nescessarily agree with all the agenda or principles behind that party. Just to make an example, 96% of blacks voted for President Obama, a smaller but still significant number of blacks are loyal to Democrats, and most Democrats are pro-choice in their stance for abortion - Obama is pro-choice... but the majority of blacks are not. A significant portion of blacks are not for gay marriage either... In fact, in California, they had a referendum on the ballot for the Presidential election... which was rejected because of the amount of black voter turnout.

These are all social issues... and it's easy to find where people who subscribe to one party or another may actually not agree with the party stance.

Your sentiment is that you will do whatever you will do, you're not changing for anyone, and you shouldn't need to defend your actions... and I agree - but I also add that people with those statements should include that they will take responsibility for them. If you agree with that... then I think that you'll agree with my personal viewpoint that social matters and issues are not places where the government, especially the federal government should be involved in legislating what we can and can't do. As long as we aren't hurting others, and or stopping them from pursuing their dreams... then we ought to be free to do whatever silliness we concoct.

As for the actual dealings of the government and what people think should happen and shouldn't happen, I find that there is a lot of common ground in the agreement that reform is needed in many areas within the government. The difference typically lies in what one views as protecting people versus what is a give-away to people who should be capable of doing for themselves. Reasonable logical statements catered to actual situations tend to be missing from these debates because the media floods the message with talking points, politicians manipulate language to convey their half-truth, and people throw aside common sense and applying personal experience and their own perceptions in creating their stance.

I find that once I cut through the defensive perimeter surrounding the manipulation from the political parties and the media and the loyaltists... that there is more common ground and understanding as well as the pressence of individuality in the message each of us conveys about an issue than what others would tend to have us believe.

That's what I aim to find... in discussing and questioning perspectives as well as sharing my own. To see if there is a level of understanding that can be found... whether or not their is common ground... and to get away from the divisive atmosphere the media, the politicians, and the loyaltists aim to create.

That's why I was critical of your comments, and that's why I've pressed on this with as much attention as I have... because I think... just as your latest comments have indicated... you have more voice and pressence than the poor jokes and name calling we started out with.

At the end of the day I'm just me. So everything you see, hear and read is part of me. Good or bad, it is what it is.....and I want Chocolate Chip Cookies....I don't like mint....

(is it okay I don't like mint? because others do like mint and can't understand how people couldn't love mint like they do....I don't want them to question why I don't like mint because then they will make me feel bad about my disliking of mint as they love and support mint eaters everywhere....what's wrong with me not liking mint.....see how that applies to everything)

You say Apple....I say Apple. But I say it with a Chicago accent.