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What will future generations condemn us for?

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Once, pretty much everywhere, beating your wife and children was regarded as a father's duty, homosexuality was a hanging offense, and waterboarding was approved -- in fact, invented -- by the Catholic Church. Through the middle of the 19th century, the United States and other nations in the Americas condoned plantation slavery. Many of our grandparents were born in states where women were forbidden to vote. And well into the 20th century, lynch mobs in this country stripped, tortured, hanged and burned human beings at picnics.

Looking back at such horrors, it is easy to ask: What were people thinking?

Yet, the chances are that our own descendants will ask the same question, with the same incomprehension, about some of our practices today.

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PowerIsKnowledge

What will future generations condemn us for?

Good question.

  • 9 votes
#1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 6:40 AM EDT
Lola-Ohio

Greed and pollution.

  • 14 votes
#1.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 7:25 AM EDT
Davy-755715

Mostly, buying all sorts of government programs, while crying bitterly when asked to pay for them. Generational transfer of wealth is a big part of it, too. Gimmee, gimmee, GIMMEE!!

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 7:49 AM EDT
Zoolopolis

Discrimination against Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transsexuals.

They're going to wonder what's up with the self loathing and denial of Teapublicans like Larry Craig. Won't they be happier if they just owned their truth and came out?

All us in the future do, and the world is perfect.

Don't let the Teapublicans keep the world from being perfect. Vote this Nov. Paid for by Americans Against Psychos.

  • 12 votes
#1.3 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:14 AM EDT
euterpe-1641499

For choosing fear over sanity: they won't only condemn, they'll laugh their asses off at us.

  • 14 votes
#1.4 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:28 AM EDT
Buckeye Voter

Mostly, buying all sorts of government programs, while crying bitterly when asked to pay for them.

Got that right. Worse, we can't seem to muster a reasoned debate over what the function of government should be. That's not a failure of leadership - it's a failure of citizenship.

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:42 AM EDT
Concerned Citizen-1303521

What will future generations condemn us for?

Voting Republican......

....and voting Democrat.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:55 AM EDT
Davy-755715

Another interesting hypocrisy: Righteous complaints about those using the n-word, while simultaneously cheering for the Washington r-words.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:37 AM EDT
Canadian Dave

Irreversibly destroying the environment.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:10 AM EDT
mountainmike-1199289

The national debt and the little known but worse "long term unfunded fiscal commitments" estimated by the Government Accountability Office. That is an estimate of expenditures through to 2075, which is currently estimated at $62 trillion. The current national debt is over $13 trillion.

Future generations will be carrying a humungous debt if we don't start cutting back.

Both Democrats and Republicans cannot stop spending. Republicans are currently blaming the Democrats after Bush doubled the national debt and tripled the long term unfunded fiscal commitments. There is no credibility to their holier than thou attitude. The Republicans are fixated on military expenditures, including all of those contracts to military industrial complex corporations like Halliburton. The Pentagon continues to have a bloated budget with trillions of dollars unaccounted for. Despite universal condemnation, both parties continue with pork projects, many of which are a total waste of taxpayer money,

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
Buckeye Voter

Both Democrats and Republicans cannot stop spending.

They spend our money on us at our request. If they don't, we stop electing them.

We have lacked the collective maturity to debate what we want our government - our country - to be.

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 12:29 PM EDT
Davy-755715

The ultimate American dream - a check from the government.

    #1.11 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:20 PM EDT
    Max 3PO

    The ultimate American dream - a check from the government.

    For 46 years I paid my dues, retired at 62, so yeah, I look forward to my SS Check, and hope to live long enough to collect a small percentage what my wife and I have put into the Golden Pot, my wife has 2 more years to go. 92 years combined of feeding the fattened cow.

    • 6 votes
    #1.12 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:01 PM EDT
    bonos_rama

    Militarizing our police forces and alllowing them to kick in people's doors and hold guns to their kids' heads while looking for an herb that grows naturally and doesn't harm anyone who comes into contact with the user.

    • 9 votes
    #1.13 - Sat Oct 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
    mtpromises

    bonos, since I can only vote your comment up once......... here's another 'virtual 100 votes' and always remember, don't bogart, sharing is good :)

    • 5 votes
    #1.14 - Sat Oct 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT
    redshadowwithgreenbackground

    This generation's worst crime is continuing to vote for dems and reps when both have proved they are dishonest and corrupt.

    • 2 votes
    #1.15 - Sun Oct 3, 2010 6:08 PM EDT
    1+2=potatoe

    What will future generations condemn us for?

    You Don't Mess with the Zohan

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Mon Oct 4, 2010 7:30 AM EDT
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    upswing

    Not erradicating the Elite sooner.

    • 15 votes
    Reply#2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 6:43 AM EDT
    PowerIsKnowledge

    upswing Not erradicating the Elite sooner.

    Ha! Good one! And you're right! We've got to be vigilant in closing the gap between the haves and the have nots and the have little and the have nothing.

    • 13 votes
    #2.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 6:46 AM EDT
    don-72

    Who is the Elite? Is that a new/old code word that means something to some people?

    I hear it used by some people on the right to refer to President Obama who is a well educated man. So are we to assume that uneducated people are good and anyone who is the new Elite? Are we now to assume that an education is bad?

    When I see some of the tea party people who are running for office I can understand that there are some people who I sure can question where they were Educated if at all. They sure are appealing to people who at the very least sound like they hate any one who has an education.

    • 8 votes
    #2.2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 7:20 AM EDT
    Buckeye Voter

    Not erradicating the Elite sooner.

    Pol Pot? Is that you?

    • 8 votes
    #2.3 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:38 AM EDT
    madvargr

    YES! Send the Owner Class to the Guillotines. I'm tired of them stealing all of the money from our society for themselves.

    • 9 votes
    #2.4 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:06 AM EDT
    upswing

    don:

    Who is the Elite? Is that a new/old code word that means something to some people?

    Good question.

    I define it as the top .001%, or some other tiny percentage, of the richest people in the world, and those people that that top .001% determine can be included among the Elite.

    For me, being elite is determined purely by the amount of material wealth that a person owns.

    For instance, the Queen of England is among the top .001% or so of the wealthiest people in the world, so she is among the Elite.

    The Rockefellers and the Rothschild's are certainly among that group, so they are among the Elite.

    President Obama, however, makes less than $10 million a year, and is not among the Elites.

    Rather, like most politicians, he is a resource for the Elite.

    I'm assuming that if someone isn't worth a trillion or more dollars, then they are not among the Elite, unless someone among the Elite lets them into the group.

    I would place Warren Buffet and Bill Gates as being among the people the Elite will allow into their group, but who actually are not wealty enough to be among the Elite, per se.

    How do you define the Elite?

    • 7 votes
    #2.5 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
    upswing

    Buckeye Voter:

    Pol Pot? Is that you?

    Pol Pot was a functionary for the Elite, and his genocide -- of regular folk, not Elite -- was enabled by the Elite. (e.g. Zbigniew Bzrezinski on behalf of the Elite families he works for).

    So, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make... Unless you're simply trying to be funny..?

    • 6 votes
    #2.6 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:52 AM EDT
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    ffeineandsugar

    Lady Gaga.

    Seriously, though, we'll be condemned for allowing the gap between rich and poor to become such a chasm that it caused the destruction of our society. We'll be condemned for not educating our people to think for themselves. We'll be condemned for allowing ideology to take the place of spirituality. We'll be condemned for objectifying women and promoting destructive ideal images. We'll be condemned for allowing relationships to become dead and superficial. The list goes on....

    • 14 votes
    Reply#3 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 7:20 AM EDT
    Buckeye Voter

    Lady Gaga.

    From the generation that gave you Madonna, I'd say you have some 'splainin' to do.

    • 7 votes
    #3.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:39 AM EDT
    ffeineandsugar

    I'm 44. My 'splainin' would have to do with ol' Ms. Ciccone herself. I only bought one of her records, and one tape. Not much on my end....

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT
    G. H.

    LOL! NONE for me.................of either of those *ladies*.

    • 1 vote
    #3.3 - Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:19 PM EDT
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    ChuckGreg

    From this atheist's viewpoint, nearly the entire planet is plunging into Dark Ages Two and most seem to be happy moving along as it it was a video game. We have so much potential but we waste opportunity. Historians will look back at us and wonder how we stayed so stupid for so long and took so many with us.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#4 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:01 AM EDT
    Lola-Ohio

    I agree Chuck.

    • 4 votes
    #4.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:17 AM EDT
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    Schurge

    I believe future generations will condemn us (Americans) for allowing our elected officials to run the economy into the ground, wallow in corruption, and run the government as if money grew on trees for the past thirty years.

    Ninety-nine percent of the time, when government interferes with the economy they screw things up. One simple example of this is continually increasing the minimum wage. Say the minimum wage is $5.00. At $5.00 100 people are willing to work at Taco Shack and Taco Shack is willing to hire 100 workers. Everyone has a job. Than, the minimum wage is raised to $7.00 and now 125 people are willing to work at Taco Shack but now Taco Shack will only hire 75 people - that is 50 people without jobs, where before everyone who was willing to work had a job. The people who suffer the most from this are minorities, especially single minority mothers. Furthermore Taco Shack now cuts benefits like free meals and only work people for 25 hours a week so they don't have to pay into unemployment (you see this happening now due to the increase in minimum wage from $5.41 to $7.25). And don't even get me started on when the government cedes to unions...

    Unions are destroying us.

    When the government tries to help it just ends up creating a larger gap between the Lower and Upper class.

    Government corruption runs rampant in all levels of government from the bureaucrats to the president on both sides of the aisle (the myth that any one party is vastly more corrupt is just that, a myth). Earmarks in and of themselves are corrupt in nature, Thomas Jefferson warned against them. I would argue that nine times out of ten any kind of favor is corrupt in nature.

    The government honestly seems to think that money grows on trees... Our Departments and programs are redundant, often times we will have two to eight or more Departments or programs meant to address the same thing that don't get anything done. Our elected officials constantly push and pass redundant, useless, or inefficient programs just so their name can be attached to it and they can get more votes and wasting millions and billions of dollars. We leave Departments and programs running that no longer have a purpose like the Department of Agriculture wasting billions of dollars. Our Departments are so inefficient... its beyond comprehension. We have multiple Departments and programs meant to address poverty... all told we spend eight hundred billion dollars I believe... according to one investigative reporter who wrote a book called National Suicide claims that we can completely end poverty in the U.S. with just one hundred and sixty-nine billion dollars a year (roughly). I'd go into a lot more detail on the inefficiency of our government, but I don't have the book with me, so I can't double check my facts to get numbers right.

    Our elected officials are failing us... Instead of addressing the issues they try and distract us by instigating class warfare, turning things into left vs. right, and divide us at any chance they get... and we let it happen...

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:55 AM EDT
    Ellfawd

    They will scratch their heads over the fear so many of us showed towards same sex marriage, immigration, and canabis.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#6 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:03 AM EDT
    jbird

    They will criticize us for taking so long in getting to a certain point in civil rights, while regressing on human rights in time of war.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#7 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:17 AM EDT
    arieco

    Hopefully we will all be dead and won't know or care what future generations think.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
    Pen>Sword

    The future world will see all the problems we have and then feel bad, but then they discover how much we spent on our military/wars every year and they realized how dumb and bloodthirsty we must have been and chalk us off as extremely primitive and narrow minded. That is of course if we make it that far, for there to be people in the future.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#9 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:28 AM EDT
    DaVinci-984257

    Once, pretty much everywhere, beating your wife and children was regarded as a father's duty, homosexuality was a hanging offense, and waterboarding was approved -- in fact, invented -- by the Catholic Church. Through the middle of the 19th century, the United States and other nations in the Americas condoned plantation slavery. Many of our grandparents were born in states where women were forbidden to vote. And well into the 20th century, lynch mobs in this country stripped, tortured, hanged and burned human beings at picnics.

    The article mentioned behaviors we today might deem reprehensible by today's standards. To castigate previous generations is absurd. The major decisions of the past were made by a smidgen of people. To lay blame at the feet of the powerless is ridiculous just as it is ridiculous as blaming the German and Japanese people for WW II. This type of article sounds like the Flagellants of the Middle Ages whipping themselves in the name of some god.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#10 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:31 AM EDT
    mtpromises

    spending all our money killing each other instead of making the world a better place?

    • 8 votes
    Reply#11 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:36 AM EDT
    Sonia Kermaz

    Our short-sighted self-absorption may ensure that there won't be as many future generations as one assumes.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#12 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 10:56 AM EDT
    jbird

    Perhaps they will condemn us for polluting the soil we have to live around, with radioactive material from foolish nuclear bomb manufacturing.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#13 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
    Erik the Read

    My first thought was: "running up debt".

    But then I thought: "Hey, Americans are getting more and more reactionary," Future generations won't be thinking the present generation is mistreating gays and disregarding free speech. Quite the opposite. They'll be thinking this generation was too kind to gays and permitted too much free speech.

    They'll say we were wasting our time discussing capital punishment. "Just imagine, some people in 2010 want to abolish it! What nonsense."

    Other nonsense the people of 2010 are discussing: Abortion, disarmament, and the right of individuals to organize in unions. The people of 2010 talked about privacy, the meaning is unclear. They wanted to limit the power of the police. What a waste. Fortunately all these things will be a thing of the past in 2050.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#14 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
    mtpromises

    I really really hope you're wrong...........

    • 6 votes
    #14.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 12:10 PM EDT
    Erik the Read

    mtpromises, I hope my predictions are wrong, too, but let's face it. The humanitarian wave has peaked and the US did not ride on that crest.

    • 3 votes
    #14.2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT
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    Pacific Northwest Blogger

    For self centered thinking which is the root cause of side effects like climate, pollution, class warfare, lobbies, banking and investment collapses, et.

    We're one species... time to start behaving like it.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#15 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
    Gnosis13

    I think they'll condemn us for having so many opportunites to fix things, yet allowing money to triumph.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#16 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:19 PM EDT
    Erik the Read

    We're one species... time to start behaving like it.

    This reminds me of the old Tom Lehrer somg "We'll all go together when we go..."

    • 5 votes
    Reply#17 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:23 PM EDT
    ma91744-1401618

    The policies of the George W. Bush administration and the failures of the republican party from 1980 through ?.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#18 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:52 PM EDT
    Ozark Mountain Sage

    Climate change.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#19 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:07 PM EDT
    Field MarshallDeleted
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