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Article Source: Politics | The New Civil Rights MovementYesterday, protesters from both camps braved the rain and cooler temperatures to march and picket in front of the proposed site for the Islamic cultural center in lower Manhattan that has drawn nationwide focus.
This short video reveals their true issue. They don't care as much about the mosque as they do about their president, and their perception that he is a Muslim. The cries of "Impeach Obama! Impeach Obama!" reveal their real bigotry, upset — and target.
Notice the “Sharia” signs written with fake blood? Especially telling is the juvenile laughter of the crowd when one says, “Osama — I mean Obama!”
These are some really sick puppies.
They don't care as much about the mosque as they do about their president, and their perception that he is a Muslim.
For real? So what else is new or not so new? Unbelievable.
Spreading lies and hate about President Obama is all these protesters care about...and all the tea party people care about...and all the Republicans care about. Indeed, they are truly some really sick puppies!!
impeach obama!??? that is one of the dumbest chants that i have heard recently. when i hear this or see signs that say this, i always wonder, and ask, what egregious act or crime has been committed that would lead to his impeachment. i almost always get blank stares.
when i hear this or see signs that say this, i always wonder, and ask, what egregious act or crime has been committed that would lead to his impeachment.
He won the election? Impeaching President Obama based on nothing is rather ridiculous isn't it?
#1.2:Indeed, they are truly some really sick puppies!!
I think the Obama Derangement Syndrome has reached new heights- if that is at all possible! When does the mass "sideways" come in to play?
Or has it already and it is being downplayed also?
#1.3:i almost always get blank stares.
That's all you will ever get because the people themselves are "blank"! These idiots are just filled with hatred for the black President -and don't know what else to say or do except demand he not be there!
Forget about "any reason"; they don't have one and don't think that they need one either. Why don't they think they need a reason? Because they have NEVER needed one!
Everything these racist, narrow-minded, stupid morons have ever received has been given to them without any test or proof. Just a group of privileged imbeciles who don't deserve anything but have been given Carte Blanche everything they have.
Hopefully this is the end of that trail.
It's amazing how naysayers have morphed Obama from being a Christian member of a church that listened to rants by Rev. Wright to being a Muslim plant interested in the overthrow of the US government.
If Hillary, using the Rove playbook of political trickery and lies and/or McPalin, using the pal-ing around with terrorists stump speech had figured out the Muslim usurper approach to winning the hearts and minds of Americans, we would have had a very different historical moment on election night, November 2008.
I'm disappointed, all you hear from TV News writers that if a person does not tolerate or agree with religious discrimination of faith or religious violence, that is "We" who has the problem. We are the racist and the Islamaphobes or even messengers from hell. "Bull Ship." Who is actually afraid to offending Islam and Christians? Discrimination is the religious doctrine of faith. It's our military might that is offering us protection from hate groups, not words unfortunately.
800 lb. gorilla: I think the impeachable offense Obama committed, in the minds of these clowns, is reminding them of the First Amendment of their own Constitution. As Devilsadvocate demonstrates, "real" Americans, as defined by Sarah Palin & co. reserve the right to apply that principle of religious freedom only to the groups they like, always reserving the right to reclassify any religion they don't like as a non-religion. Of course, that was what Mary I of England did when she burned Protestants at the stake, and why Cromwell set fire to churches filled with defenseless civilians who happened to be Catholic. And that is why our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution the way they did, to spare us from the horrors of religious wars like that. But I think some of our fellow "real" Americans would like to bring back heresy trials, along with burning at the stake and hanging, drawing and quartering.
Good seed Powerisknowledge.
Vote up.
Forget about "any reason"; they don't have one and don't think that they need one either. Why don't they think they need a reason? Because they have NEVER needed one!
True that. A big circle jerk of jerks validating each other's pulls by pulling and jerking each other around their circle. No reason... needed.
"real" Americans, as defined by Sarah Palin & co. reserve the right to apply that principle of religious freedom only to the groups they like
trex - exactly! They think constitutional freedoms should only be afforded to the people and religions and groups that they LIKE. Well too bad! The constitution applies to everyone...even the KKK and Wiccans...freedom of speech and freedom of religion...the cornerstones of America...whether right-wing extremists like it or not.
You people do realize that there is a Mosque INSIDE The Pentagon right? The very building that was hit on 9/11 and our own military has a place for our Muslim service people to pray. Why aren't people demonstrating there? Why weren't you people screaming when that was put in place?
The very people that put their lives on the line to defend our Constitution understand the meaning of it. Why can't you?
You people do realize that there is a Mosque INSIDE The Pentagon right?
I was operating under the same faulty information. It's not a mosque, but a chapel where services for several religions, including Islam, are held.
The rest of your assertion is absolutely correct. Where was the outrage then? Where is the outrage about the affront to the 9/11 families caused by the peep shows and other garbage equally close to GZ?
i always wonder, and ask, what egregious act or crime has been committed that would lead to his impeachment.
Presidenting while black?
Islam is first and foremost a mind-destroying, totalitarian political ideology that spreads through the Body Politic like a virus.
Anytime anyone says this, it shows they have no idea what they are talking about and are just regurgitating someone else's hatred.
And when asked to show proof, they quote other people's "interpretation" or "assessment" of what the Qur'an means instead of actually reading it themselves to find out what it really means.
If it really were as you say, the US would be overrun in two seconds by the muslim world. The US has roughly 200~300 million people living in it. There are between 1.5~2 BILLION muslims in the world. If the religion was really "totalitarian political ideology that spreads through the Body Politic like a virus" then the US would have been overrun a decade ago.
Do people even think before they start spouting off this hatred-inspired nonsense and ignorant bigotry? These must be the same people that really believed we needed to bail out AIG and the banks and that there really were WMD's in Iraq. America is going down the toilet not from Islam, but from stupidity.
devilsadvocate, you should break out the torch and the pitch fork and have yourself a good ol' fashioned lynching; Salem, MA-style! And while you are lynching muslims, why don't you go after some jews too, they killed christ after all, and then while you are at it lynch some blacks too, oh and don't forget the italians... and the irish... and... I guess everyone except puritans, huh?
Christianity is first and foremost a mind-destroying, totalitarian political ideology that spreads through the Body Politic like a virus.
redsfan......PLEASE don't lump Wiccans with the KKK. The christians and the gop, MAYBE but Wiccans worship the goddess in the spirit of Mother Earth and don't condone violence. Unfortunately I tend to be too worldly to be a peaceful Wiccan But I do beleive in their energy out comes back threefold. Much as I detest most of the right, I can't, in good conscience, wish death on them. Showing I can't be a christian in most of the gop christian's eyes. I'm OK with that!
WakeupPeople....for YOU, I am almost willing to give up the wiccan creed and wish......well, you know! I don't have a problem with Muslims. I was posting what some braindead republiCON posted. YOU are making their words mine. Everyone else could tell the DIFFERENCE!
Power,
I must say this makes interesting reading. I disagree with much of it, but truly informational. I do find it interesting how intelligent most of these posters believe that they are. From what I have read, anyone that disagrees is ignorant and comes under attack. It is amazing that Muslim ideology seems to be embraced, but christians are scorned, almost hated. This given that we once lived in America and all that implies!! By the way, I think if you will read most of the threads, you will fiind the same hate and vile dispite you are ranting against. More intelligently stated of course!
MaryEllen, Some of us are listening...We just don't agree. At least, not yet. By the way, I voted for GW. I think I have just become disheartened with our govenment in general.
Presidenting while black?
Those exact words popped into my head.
Great seed, Power!
Just what has Obama done that is an impeachable offense?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I am so sick of these neo-con rants.
Presidenting while black?
Beautifully stated, madvargr. What's funny is that they can't even be honest with themselves about it. It all done through a wink and a nod. Disgusting!
Thank you euterpe-1641499. And you're right, they can't be honest with themselves even when the writing is on the wall. But we have to accept that until they are "told" to accept the truth, they'll continue running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
txhorseman.......I don't hate Christians. I just lothe the wanna be sunday type. You know the kind. The ones who condemn everyone ELSES sins while completely disregarding their OWN!
devilsadvocate...sorry, I wasn't clear. I have no problems with the Wiccan religion, but many Christians have an absolute fit about it and claim it is not a religion and should not be given any rights. So I was just making the point that there are a wide variety of groups and beliefs in America and the constitution allows them all the freedom to exist no matter who else doesn't like it. I personally have no problems with Wiccans but I have HUGE problems with the KKK....but they all have the same rights to free speech and worship...as long as they don't hurt anyone else.
I was operating under the same faulty information. It's not a mosque, but a chapel where services for several religions, including Islam, are held.
Note to Right wingnuts; The above is from a post of mine, found above. It's what thinking, reasonable, logical, LIBERALS do when they discover that they were mistaken.
They don't keep trumpeting the lies they are spoon fed by their masters, because they have the temerity to think for themselves.
You could really learn something here.
Most people in NYC oppose this project. Most people in NYC have better things to do then engage in Political theatre on a work day. I'll bet you that most of the people on these videos are not from NYC.
For the Left and the Right of America this project is just politics looking to score points. The American Muslims that will take the hit if the backers are not as the Left and media promise, and the New Yorkers affected by the attack are not the people on the video.
Realistic solutions have been attempted by people on the Left from the Governor of New York, Labor Unions and the Archbishop of New York. All have been rejected by this project's supporters and organizers.
Realistic solutions have been attempted by people on the Left from the Governor of New York, Labor Unions and the Archbishop of New York. All have been rejected by this project's supporters and organizers.
These people should not be involved. The building has been bought and they should be able to utilize it.
Of course it is about our President. The muslim, the facist, the communist, the messiah, the America hating black man.
I would love for all 67 million who voted for our President to stand up for what is right. To speak out to those that haven't given him even a little chance of governing.
I am a dreamer....sigh
O.K., I'll stand up for what is right. Obama is a thoughtful president who has taken action to solve many of this country's problems. I'd give him at least a B- so far.
#2:I would love for all 67 million who voted for our President to stand up for what is right. To speak out to those that haven't given him even a little chance of governing. I am a dreamer....sigh
I am standing tall sweetie, and I am a believer!
Some of us have been trying BUT the GreedyObstructionistParty over COUNTRY seem to beleive Faux Noixe, Lush LIMPbough and Peckerhead over REAL FACTS. Pray tell how to get them to listen!
#2.3:Pray tell how to get them to listen!
Stop trying! They will not listen; they have their minds made up already and no matter what we do, they don't care and will not listen.
Again, we just need to do what we need to do, and that is to vote for the democrats. Don't worry about them; they did not vote for the President the last time and will not this time either.
We have already counted their repug votes- not in the Democrat column but in the repug column. Either they will vote for the repugs again or they will not go to vote for anybody.
So again, dont worry about trying to convince them. Just continue to believe as you do and do what you must do and vote. Remember, you don't control anyone but yourself. Therefore you are only in control of yourself.
Just do what you need to do and that is to vote Democratic in the upcoming elections.
Just do what you need to do and that is to vote Democratic in the upcoming elections.
This is so true. When individuals adamantly believe something to be true, it is highly unlikely that anyone will change their view(s), even if what they believe is found untrue. This goes for everyone regardless of which party we belong to. For this reason, we should do what we need to do as you suggested and vote Democrat in upcoming elections. Every time Repubs/Conservatives/Teabag followers open their mouths, the more I am convinced they aren't for the people but themselves and individuals like them. They pontificate hate over and over again.
To all of you, @2 - 2.5
Don't give up. I am reminded that the brand, spanking new President Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace prize for his vision of what can be. We are the ones that we have been waiting for and yes, we can. Too many people have forgotten that we were each charged by Candidate Obama with using our efforts to make positive change. He told us that this is not about him, alone. We. Can Do. This.
Yes, we can.
Stop trying! They will not listen; they have their minds made up already and no matter what we do, they don't care and will not listen.
good advice MEG, just can't keep trying however.
#2.5:When individuals adamantly believe something to be true, it is highly unlikely that anyone will change their view(s), even if what they believe is found untrue.
I realized last year that there was no need to try to sway and convince them when everything that I asked or stated was met with the same, identical right-wing "talking point". I realized then that everything was scripted and no matter what you said or did, your answer was not going to change any minds about any thing.
In addition, it became abundantly clear when these haters had no documentation or scientific proof of the lies, falsehoods and propaganda they were spewing when I asked for some.
So I took a few days away from NV to do an assessment because I could not understand some of the recalcitrance and stubbornness coming from them on the right. I came to the conclusion that we were dealing with a group of "actors or simulators" who would stick to the script no matter what was said.
Another viner and myself completed our assessment after comparing notes and concluded that these "messages" were being distributed by the various churches and other houses of worship. The other viner stated that her cousin- who was also a right-wing hater did not have cable or any other kind of television set would answer her the same way with the same wording I described from anther responder; at first, we both first thought it was originating from fox network. We found out that the fox network only had the most vocal (limppaw, beckwards, hannity etc), but they were using the same script of talking points!
This is another strategy of the rich Big Business interests to use the little guy, who is used here on NV to recite talking points, bused into the rallys with their misspelled signs and given a box lunch and probably $100.00 to say what they are told to say.
This is why I don't try to convince them of anything; they aleady have their marching orders.
Annfortruth01
I saw a news report on MSNBC that inferred that Democratic voters are not as ecited about the upcoming elections as Republican voters are.
This is so sad, but either it's true or we are too quiet about our support of our party.
I live in Tennessee and the evidence of this was apparent because democratic turn-out was minimal, to say the least. Republicans are enjoying almost landside victories. I just don't understand what the problem is.
We can't just put our support behind national elections, then give little concern for local and state elections. I'm not sure a lot of democratic voters understand the importance of all elections. especially the upcoming ones, I don't mean to trivialize my party, but the facts speak for themselves. In my state, the rightwing candidates are not afraid to show support for the Tea Party, and have no qualms about being anti-Obama, their main campaign theme.
Opposition to the proposed Islamic center being built is simply a cover-up for their anti-Obama platform. They apparently need no other platform, no matter what the other important issues should be concerning these elections.
I've read a lot of negative comments concerning the group-mob mentality of the rightwing. Maybe they feel they have lost out and have more to gain by being more vocal and visual, even if they are wrong.
IMPO, we need to light a fire under our party and become more expressive and vocal. Apparently, a good defense is a clearly-defined, LOUD, truth-based offense.
It may be about Obama for some, but New Yorkers overwhelmingly support him and they make up a sizable percentage of the protest against the muslim center. The contractors and union workers helped vote Obama into office and they're all signing agreements to not work on this job. So don't buy into the illusion that the people protesting are a bunch of tea party, sarah palin loving nutjobs. They come from both sides of the political aisle and from many religions.
I agree that they're allowed to build it there, in fact I supported it at first, but just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you should. Many of my friends are Muslim, (my brother married a girl from Egypt with a huge family), and those who I've talked with are on the fence about this building. The things that changed my mind are 1) hearing the Imam who wants to build it speaking about how we brought 9/11 on ourselves, 2) the fact that he's in the middle east drumming up support and we're paying for the trip through tax money, and 3) that it's going to be called Cordoba House. It's a pretty poor choice of names for the place considering that Cordoba, Spain was a Muslim stronghold and the site of their jihad victory celebrations. That's just insulting.
stand up for what is right.
I voted for Obama and I am GLAD I voted for Obama. I don't always agree with him on everything, but overall I think he is doing fine, given the circumstances. I am offfended by the attempts of the republicans to make him "unamerican" and other asinine things. I don't care what anybody says, republicans are willing to bring down the whole country as long as they get their power back. I do NOT want republican policies. It is more obvious every day that the main concern of republicans is protecting the corporate elite and the top 2% of the country (at the expense of 98% of the rest of us). Republicans are counting on the sheeple being too stupid to see that they are being manipulated by fear.
i live in Chicago and i can tell you that it looks like the suburbs our 14th and 10th districts are in a toss up to go either dem or republican Nov 2nd for the House. As much as i would like to think that being so close to Chicago these areas would go blue, im beginning to have doubts. I have several friends, young in their 20s, who have been seriously brainwashed. The problem is that these people dont follow politics and only repeat what is sent on emails or what they heard their friends friend say. Im trying my hardest to spread the word but without the younger vote im afraid these areas are gonna go red. Either way im not losing hope as i will continue to spread the truth and hopefully get these younger dems out to vote.
Standing tall...voted for President Obama & will do so again. Have a nice day!
CCArm: "I would love for all 67 million who voted for our President to stand up for what is right. To speak out to those that haven't given him even a little chance of governing."
I voted for President Obama and will do so again. I see no point in trying to reason with anyone who simply will not listen to reason. I refuse to waste my time, energy and resources with these ignorant and bigoted haters. However, if and when we need to hit the streets in defense of President Obama or the principles upon which our country was founded, rest assured, I'll be there. Have a great day.
BTW PowerIsKnowledge thanks for bringing this article to our attention!!
You're welcome Islero but don't give up. I have a Tea Party buddy whom I'm making progress. It's best to deal with them one-on-one when you have a captive audience.
I believe those on here are not really tea party members because they can spell and form coherent sentences. I tend to agree with another Viner who said they are lobbyists and are those who are paid to be spin doctors.
Hi PowerIsKnowledge,
These people are nuts. They seem not to care that our country is the collateral damage in their latest protest. Sacrificing all of us in an attempt to destroy the President. They make me sick; their actions are un-American.
#3 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:25 AM EDTThey make me sick; their actions are un-American.
ditto Teresa!
Saw a lot of people wearing hats as a preoccupation. Must have been teapartiers. They always wear some kind of dorky hat at a rally.
#4 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:25 AM EDT#4:Saw a lot of people wearing hats as a preoccupation. Must have been teapartiers. They always wear some kind of dorky hat at a rally
Sometimes, hats are used to shield the face from the cameras too. It would not surprise me in the least bit if they were not trying to hide their entire full frontal faces/ real identify from the media. I don't think any of them want their faces/names on the 5 o'clock news.
Uncover, uncloak and bring them out into the sunlight. Disinfect them! Show your shameful faces, you racist hypocrites.
Shutterbug-One might buy the rain logic, if it wasnt for the fact that some of those hats were exceptionally whimsical/unnecessarily decorative. That is the mark of a tea partier. Little annoying pieces of stickers and flair...
I just can't stand the childish name changing. It just makes me cringe when the world sees grown people resort to grade school antics. It makes us look stupid.
#6 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:39 AM EDTTo me it's funny how Obama uses the constitution; when he is so ANTI-AMERICAN.
The American people don't want a Mosque any where near Ground Zero out of Respect. The American people, don't have to be tolerant. Not on this issue!
What do the American people hear out of MSMBC,CBS,ABC,CNN....
They're Bigots they should be more TOLERANT.
The American people, have been hurt so much by 911...but thats OK with Obama and the Reporters at MSMBC,CBS,ABC,CNN..They don't care about the families of 911.
New York..............was attacked 911.............New York is the RESTING PLACE OF 3000 People, it's just not Ground Zero.
There are 200 Mosques in New York.............They don't need another Mosque.
They have Mosques from Queens to Staten Island. I think they Freedom of Religion coming out their ears.
Obama has no respect for the families of 911.
#6:It makes us look stupid.
Yes it does, but do you think these morons care? No! It is only and all about what they want.
#6.1:Obama has no respect for the families of 911.
And you have no respect for the President, Barack Obama or for us, the millions who voted for him. I thought that I would call him by his official name since you did not - again a show and sign of disrespect.
As someone who supports the President of the United States, and voted in the last election- and have voted in every election from local to national since I was age-eligible, I am owed as much respect as the "families of 9-11".
I lost a cousin, through my first marriage, at the Pentagon from the 9-11 attack. I was also born here in the United States (were you?).
But you don't want to give the President, or any of his supporters any of your respect. So tell me, why should I give YOU any of mine?
The American people, have been hurt so much by 911...but thats OK with Obama and the Reporters at MSMBC,CBS,ABC,CNN..They don't care about the families of 911.
Bull @!$%#ing @!$%#. YOU do not speak for the American people, you do no speak for ME.
I care about our military who are now fighting on the front lines of the terrorists that struck the towers on 9/11/2001. Do you think that the hateful rhetoric you spew helps them? Did you stop and think about how this BS is emboldening the enemy?
Of course not.
MEG, they have no respect.
Judy and other like-minded people
I don't think that the correct question/issue is being dealt with pro or con with regard to the Islamic community center.
Why haven't the towers been rebuilt or if not rebuilt, then something built in space where they once stood? In other countries, most notably Britain and Israel, the new structure(s) would have already been built as people of those countries go on with living despite the heinous acts of bad guys.
Part of the emotionalism with regard to the Islamic community center isn't disrespect of lives lost so much as it is the fact that Ground Zero hasn't been rebuilt and it's very likely that the Islamic community center will be built and in use long before structures replace the buildings that stood at Ground Zero.
On a difference concern: It's galling to see a video where a group of "no mosque" protesters at the site of the planned Islamic community center verbally attack a non-Muslim African-American man for no apparent reason other than he wasn't one of the European-American group. Know that when you function from your strongly held anti-social perceptions and emotionalsim, you create incidents that show you in a negative light and cause you to be negatively labeled. We live in an electronic age where the "real" you gets exposed unattended by spin.
Judy: The people who have no respect for the victims of 9/11 are the demagogues who are exploiting their pain to encourage cheap scapegoating. They should be truly ashamed of themselves, although I doubt Newt Gingrich is capable of shame.
Judy...I remember when I was a kid we had classes in civics. I understand the Constitution of out country and was insired to take an oath to protect it and served in uniform. Apparently is is a gop sin for a Constitutional student and laywer who became President of our country to suggest it be forfront in the argument. I am so glad I am NO LONGER a member of the gop fold! They continue to show themselves as UNAmerican FOOLS!
The job of the President of this country is to uphold the constitution. That is what Obama is doing. The people protesting are only showing us and the world their ignorance and that they have no ideas of their own.
If they do not want the Mosque there, then they should be protesting that, not name calling or degrading the leader of this land..
#7 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:45 AM EDTyou are obviously on drugs! The last 18 months the party in charge (democrats), along with obama, has done its best to shred the Constitution! Not only should he be impeached, but he, along with harry reid, nancy piglosi, and other dems, should be locked up!
you are obviously on drugs!
Dan that is a violation of the NV CoH, I have reported it. I see you have only been with us 3 days?
^^
can you post examples of this "shredding"
Thanks in advance.
Dan....please produce facts from NON-Partisan sources. Don't believe you can but I must offer you that opportunity even if circumstances were reversed, you would not offer me the same!
Pound.....since Dan seems incapable of producing anything to support his rant I guess he is just another troll. Not suprised!
Yes Obama is the real target.
The midterms are in around 60 days.
The majority of Americans think President Obama has failed.
Welcome to the new reality.
#9 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:57 AM EDT"The majority of Americans think President Obama has failed."
As they did for Reagan and Clinton during their second year in office. Polls are such fickle beasts. Today's pariah is tomorrow's hero.
Today's pariah is tomorrow's hero.
And today pariah is President Obama.
Texasguy01
When did you count how many of us think the President has failed? And what exactly has he failed at?
Nobody has been in my neck of the woods with a poll and asked my opinion on a datgum thing.
Don't be so quick on the draw. You just might be wrong.
Kinda like those eggs making everybody sick these days. They(polls and the eggs) got counted a little too soon and proved to be no good.
What has Obama failed at?
1) Doing anything to improve the economy;
2) Creating jobs;
3) Healthcare Reform;
4) Transparency;
5) Being a "post-racial" president;
6) Hope;;
7) Change....
And I know there's more.
He's pretty much failed at everything he promised. And we are more in debt than ever, unemployment is now expected to go up to 10% instead of the 8% he and his "advisors" predicted, and he's shown his complete lack of leadership skills and inexperience in a big way.
He's an appeaser. He's inexperienced. He's in over his head.
I am shocked, shocked to discover that petty political games are at the root of this feigned outrage over the so-called "ground zero mosque".
#10 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:07 AM EDTSo am I; especially as it is feeding into the hands of the Islamic radicals. Doesn't anyone realize that they are using the outcry this country has sounded to fuel their recruiting?
#10:I am shocked, shocked to discover that petty political games are at the root of this feigned outrage over the so-called "ground zero mosque".
No you are not, SC. And neither am I - and neither should anyone else be surprised! Nothing has changed in 2 years- so why should this protest against the President of the United States because he is a Black man be different--now?
Same people:Teabaggers, repugs, racists, KKK, skinheads and other haters all in one group of protesters again. Seems so familiar. Again, nothing has changed!
The president put gasoline on this fire by siding with the people behind the mosque He should have kept his opinons to himself if he could not side with the victims of 9-11...and then of course as he always does he backtracked on his original comments!!...He is an incompetent leader
He did not backtrack, that's another misrepresentation. He did say that he was not going to offer any opinion, pro or con, about whether it was "wise" to build the mosque there. He would only speak about the constitutional right of freedom of religion. And that is as it should be. He took an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States, and that is the only issue here that concerns the President.
Scienceguy,
You're kidding, right? Ok, LMAO(just in case you are)
Sebastiano,
Show me where the President came out in support of the building of this community center(which you prefer to call a Mosque).
The President only stated as to what is written in the Constitution(law of the land, remember?) about freedom of religion. Then he spoke about the laws concerning the zoning laws in New York City. Period.
I know you want to fan the fires here and you are not for the President, but don't make outlandish statements that you cannot give evidence of.
If you have evidence of the President giving support, show it here and now.
I shall await your next post.
So am I; especially as it is feeding into the hands of the Islamic radicals. Doesn't anyone realize that they are using the outcry this country has sounded to fuel their recruiting?
Well it's a good thing then that we were never impolite to the nazis, or the commies - it could have incited them to dislike us.
"Impeach Obama"
I wonder how many in that crowd voted for Obama. NY is the most blue state in America.
#12 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:28 AM EDTBubba-939441
"Impeach Obama"
I wonder how many in that crowd voted for Obama. NY is the most blue state in America.
My impression is that somewhere between a quarter and a third of Americans are people I would (sterotype) as neoTheoCon, Tea Partier-Bush dead-enders (I told you it's a stereotype, didn't I?). These are people who I see tending toward a "America-is-a-Christian Nation," "White-People's Privilige," "Might (and Authority) Makes Right" approach to life. Who believe that it's THEIR country (the one they want to "Take Back"), and the rest of us are just Godless Socialist Liberals. There is absolutely no room for negotiation or compromise with these people because they are True Believers. They need to be accepted as our fellow citizens, but also accepted as impediments in trying to have a successful national dialogue.
"Impeach Obama"
I wonder how many in that crowd voted for Obama. NY is the most blue state in America.
It's touching that right wing republicans are so concerned with the hallowed ground of the WTC since many New York and New Jersey residents died in the attack and most people from New York and New Jersey are liberal democrats.
The same idiots who follow Pam Geller, the same who will vote for Paladino...
New Yorkers aren't Republican. Perhaps the demostraters are dissatisfied liberals.
Bubba: The obvious question is, how many in that crowd live in New York, or anywhere near it? And who paid for the bus to get them there?
To Bubba
Or they were brought in from the southern states to stage the protest.
What? Southerners bused into New York to demonstrate. Southerners couldn't care less what happens in New York. There are more mosques in Texas than New York. The difference is Texans welcome religious diversity.
To Bubba
The difference is Texans welcome religious diversity.
Not in this world or reality.
The difference is Texans welcome religious diversity.
Somebody need to tell that to the Texans that were in Bridgeport, CT. (a long way from home) to protest a mosque built there.
It's pure Islamophobia, fueled by the fear-mongering Right as always. What a shame that their followers can't see them as the obstructionists they are and the damage that they are doing to America.
"Islamophobia, fueled by the fear-mongering Right as always"
I thought it was fueled by New York families of vicims and New York fireman who voted Democratic.
I thought it was fueled by New York families of vicims and New York fireman who voted Democratic
I didn't know that Rush and $arah were NYFD>
Bubba-939441
"Islamophobia, fueled by the fear-mongering Right as always"
I thought it was fueled by New York families of vicims and New York fireman who voted Democratic.
Simply put, you thought wrong.
Maybe it is just me, but I am curious. When the towers in New York were attacked and 3,000 people died at the hands of muslim extremists, where they attacking New York or America?
Just asking. Because if the answer is America, then why would American people from all over America not be welcomed in this protest? Whether you agree with the issue at hand or not.
Protestors At Mosque Near Ground Zero Reveal Real Target: Obama
Dam, alright who told you? How in the hell did you guys figure out we don't like Obama? Come on tell us.
#13 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:41 AM EDTTedStricker
We knew of the Islamphobia from the beginning.
But once the President spoke, the hatred got so thick you could cut it with a knife, even way down here in Tennessee.
That's when "nuff said" became blantantly obvious.
Did that answer your question?
The fact that this crowd turned threatening when they saw a black man among them speaks volumes. Yes, they are angry with Obama - that's at the heart of it, and this black man symbolized their hatred for Obama. In addition, it proves these anti-government, tea party types are NOT a diverse crowd or else they could have and would have assumed the black man was PART of their crowd. Instead, they assumed he was NOT b/c they aren't a diverse group at all and they have no desire to be. That black man - and other blacks who have seen this video - now know they are not welcome or wanted.
#17 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:06 PM EDTCorrect 100%. It's a damn shame that white supremacists have now found a way to spread their message in one our our most diverse cities. And the corruption of American ideals continues...
BTW - here is the link to the video showing this man being harassed.
Comment collapsed by the communityProtesters At Mosque Near Ground Zero Reveal Real Target: Obama
Anyone surprised, please raise his/her hand. IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY CROWD once again expressing their hatred for someone not THEM.
Rather unpatriotic in my opinion.....which of course I'm allowed to have :)
#19 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:30 PM EDT.....which of course I'm allowed to have :)
Not if they ever gain power.
"Not if they ever gain power."
The people will decide in November.
The people will decide in November.
They decided almost 2 years ago too. You haven't stopped whining since.
jw, I'll continue to whine until Nancy is gone and Obama is a lame duck. Then I'll whine some more until we have a Republican president in 2012.
until Nancy is gone and Obama is a lame duck. Then I'll whine some more until we have a Republican president in 2012.
Yeah, who can blame you. The Republicans have been sooo good for the country. HA!
Maybe by then you will have learned that he can't be a "lame duck" until his second term. Considering your track record so far I'm not holding out much hope.
"Maybe by then you will have learned that he can't be a "lame duck" until his second term."
A Republican congress can make him lame.
jw, I'll continue to whine until Nancy is gone and Obama is a lame duck. Then I'll whine some more until we have a Republican president in 2012.
According to many, Obama was lame duck before he was elected President and even more so after becoming President. Are you saying you didn't whine not once during Bush years? I hate to inform you, but following 2012 election, you might be whining for another 4 years. I haven't heard this much whining until Obama became President. Mm, I wonder why?
"I haven't heard this much whining until Obama became President."
You never heard the name calling by the Dixie Chicks, the war mongor, chimp etc. etc? Bush and Cheaney were hated men and the whining was constant. Now we have a new president who promised change we can count on. We don't see the change and we continue to whine. We can whine at the polls come November and then whine again in 2012 if the deficit is not cut in half as promised.
You never heard the name calling by the Dixie Chicks, the war mongor, chimp etc. etc?
Reread my statement Bubba, because it clearly states I haven't heard this much whining until Obama became President, and then a question followed. No where in this comment did I write I never heard any whining when it came to Bush or Cheney. There is a big difference in saying I never heard and I haven't heard as much....
Bush and Cheaney were hated men and the whining was constant.
Bush and Cheney are still hated men and rightfully so. Both are warmongers and murderers. When people whine about the two, it mostly has to do with the tax cuts Bush issued for the wealthy and the fake war they got this country into.
"tax cuts Bush issued for the wealthy"
Let all the Bush tax cuts expire and everyone's taxes go up. You have some bad information if you think the cuts were only for the wealthy. LOOK AT THE 10% BRACKET. It will go up 50% if the cuts are allowed to expire. The marriage penalty will also go back into effect. All married people aren't wealthy!!
-- Some taxpayers in the 10 percent bracket would go to the 15 percent bracket;
-- The 25 percent bracket would go to 28 percent;
-- The 28 percent bracket would become 31 percent;
-- The 33 percent bracket would go to 36 percent; and
-- People in the highest bracket -- 35 percent -- would see their rate go up to 39.6 percent.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/29/battle-looming-over-bush-tax-cuts-what-it-means-to-you/
To Bubba
My understanding is that Obama will keep the tax cuts that were for the middle class and let the tax cuts for the higher end incomes expire. I will crack a beer that day.
We'll see. Ann was under the impression these cuts were only for the wealthy. If the Republicans gain power we could extend ALL the cuts. We also need extensive cost cutting to offset the tax cuts.
This short video reveals their true issue. They don't care as much about the mosque as they do about their president, and their perception that he is a Muslim. The cries of "Impeach Obama! Impeach Obama!" reveal their real bigotry, upset — and target.
This is so sick, did the opposition of the mosque started only when Obama or Polosi made their great comments. Or did it start before that?
Be reasonable people, and think before you speak. Obama is not the reason behind the opposition, and yes people do care about the mosque being built there, and both the president and the speaker of the house added to the flames when they involved themselves personally in this issue.
#20 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:45 PM EDTThe President did not come out in support of whether or not this center should be built.
He came out in support of the Constitution.
Believe it or not, there is a big difference.
These nut jobs don't care about the constitution wjm5-0, they only care about going back to a time when they could arbitrarily put the Japanese in interment camps, keep blacks as slaves and beat the men and rape the women, kidnap the original Americans children and put them in industrial schools to cleanse them of their customs a/k/a assimilate them into the European culture, to be able to freely kill the original Americans for the resources on their land, to make the original Americans to undergo, again, The Long Walk and The Trial of Tears.
These narcissistic dirty bastards want to return to a time when they could abuse those they consider inferior to them at will. What makes them think these Americans would allow them to return to that time even if their representatives manage to get elected?
These individuals live in their own delusional world of grandeur and that makes them insane. And that insanity makes them dangerous.
I don't know about you but I'm helping out candidates by making calls and making mail drops because I don't want these insane, dangerous, narcissistic bastards in power.
It was not to long ago that GW was on the receiving end of all the hate from the Dems. It is all the same.
#21 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:47 PM EDTThis whole thing was driven by bigotry from the start. So why are people surprised. The cries of He is a radical Christian, yea he is a Nazi, yea he is a Muslim trying to overthrow a Christian nation is all rooted in Bigotry, the irrationalization of rationalization.
#22 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:14 PM EDTTo Fifth Horseman
Yea but Bush the Son of God earned it.
#23 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:17 PM EDT"earned it."
So did Obama. Unreasonable promises result in high expectations. Expectations have not been met.
Bubba... you do realize that Pres Obama term is not up. He still has 2 years to get do whatever he wants to do. You act like his Pres is over and anyway the Reps don't have anyone that can be him in 2012.
"He still has 2 years to get do whatever he wants to do."
He's going to have to do one helluva lot of cutting to keep his promise to cut George's deficit in half. He's made zero progress on that his first two yrs. His deficit is now larger than Bush's.
The American people are pretty much stupid. They don't know what they want or complaining about. You know that saying. every village has an Idiot. well looks like most people follow the idiot.
#24 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDTMaybe it should be changed to every village has a reasonable man.
Whats wrong with killing two birds with one stone,most Americans don't want the mosque there and better then half of us don't want Obama. This article is just an attempt to push the race nonsense , because if you don't like Obama your racist, criticize Islam your racist it all goes hand in hand. Funny thing thou ,now its possible to be a racist and be the same thing your racist against. Yes Im aware that Islam is made up of many races and Obamas only half Black,which makes it only stranger.
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