Gen. Butler Bares 'Fascist Plot' To Seize Government by Force; Says Bond Salesman, as Representative of Wall St. Group, Asked Him to Lead Army of 500,000 in March on Capital -- Those Named Make Angry Denials -- Dickstein Gets Charge. GEN. BUTLER BARES A '

And big business is still at it. Will they ever give up?

No.

They were trying to get rid of that Commie FDR, that's what is was all about. Wish we'd had Presidential term limits back then.

Wish we'd had Presidential term limits back then.

Bad news then, as that is one of the many Constitutional Amendments that some on the far right wish to do away with.

Crazy, eh?

Ah, we are nearing an election, expect more and more of this drivel to be written. Remember when Bush was going to not give way to Obama with a coup supported by the military? It was written up, right here on the vine.

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They were trying to get rid of that Commie FDR, that's what is was all about. Wish we'd had Presidential term limits back then.

So, even though the public repeatedly voted FDR in, you think the will of the voters (who were clearly pleased with FDR's leadership through a very difficult time) and the judgment of a multitude of historians who have since declared FDR to be one of the all-time greatest Presidents of our nation are less important than your petty axe to grind with his policies?

You don't care that had FDR not stepped in with some reasonable balances to capitalism that we likely would have devolved into REAL communism, not fake communism that gets right-wing nutjobs like you tearing your hair out, but real actual Politburo Comrade Soviet Russia Job Takes YOU communism due to the catastrophic failure of business to regulate itself?

Party and ideology before country, I guess that's how you right wingers roll.

Term limits are an inherently undemocratic creation. They are the butthurt response of losers to LOSING an election, and they assume that the voters are children and not capable of deciding for themselves whether or not their elected leaders are the right ones.

I think the 2-term limit is an insult to Democracy and should be abolished. All it says is "voters, we don't trust you to choose what's in your best interest."

I would also like to point out the term limits that the GOP promised they'd adhere to in their 1994 "Contract On America" were completely ignored, and the only way the GOP's class of 1994 were encouraged to leave office was by losing elections or retiring on their own initiative.

Or, like Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay, forced out by an angry public tired of their unethical and in Delay's case ILLEGAL shenanigans.

So when the GOP talks about term limits, remember they only mean for others, not for themselves.

Remember when Bush was going to not give way to Obama with a coup supported by the military?

Ah yes, I remember that. Not from the vine, but elsewhere. One of Bush's many presidential decrees. The president can call marshal law for any natural or man-made disaster and suspend any and all elections. Effectively making him a dictator. Or President for life if you prefer that term.

Personally I think Cheney would have loved that. He was the real power behind the throne so to speak and George was but a puppet king.

Hey Space Guy - remember when Bush said how much better his job would be if he were a dictator? Remember the second time he said it? Oh yeah - the fear was all just liberal craziness - nothing we could have gotten by his words or deeds, right?

Oh look - there's Smedley's book, "War is a Racket" right over there on my bookshelf.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

What would he say about our involvement in Iraq...

maximillio "I would also like to point out the term limits that the GOP promised they'd adhere to in their 1994 "Contract On America" were completely ignored, and the only way the GOP's class of 1994 were encouraged to leave office was by losing elections or retiring on their own initiative.

kind of like today's republican strategy - lie and distort the truth as much and as often as possible because if enough BS is thrown on the wall some will stick.

Apparently one must either be a subscriber or pay to see the whole article. Interesting, but why are you posting some very old news today?

Could it be.....perhaps that KNOWLEDGE really is POWER. That seems a concept that the right doesn't seem to understand though.

Apparently one must either be a subscriber or pay to see the whole article.

Read more here:

http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-fdr-ch10.html

Apparently one must either be a subscriber or pay to see the whole article. Interesting, but why are you posting some very old news today?

Gen. Smedley Butler is explored in "The Corporation" here is a short excerpt. There are other sources on the web for more indepth information Gnostix.

KNOWLEDGE really is POWER. That seems a concept that the right doesn't seem to understand though.

Would that were so DA, the reason we're in the pickle we're today in is precisely becausethe right understands quite well how to make "information" and then to disseminate it. They understand quite fully the incredible power of propaganda based populism. The duped believe themselves as fully empowered by "knowledge" as the next guy.

Education and a discerning considerate mind is really power... for with them all ghost stories wither; without them every twig snap in the jungle can too easily be morphed into hellspawn demons and literal stampedes of unreason unleashed.

I'd read this story ages ago. It surprised me then that anyone had gone to such lengths to over throw our government. Over the past decade we've slowly seen the ground work laid for another such attempt.

Troublesome.

I think it important since most might have heard the phrase "history repeats itself" and if the GOP regains its power, I certainly can see how they might use the military and other means to overthrow our government.

This right-wing talk of doing away with Constitutional amendments, etc. is key. I also hear rumblings about another Bush waiting in the wings for another crack at taking America down.

100thmonkeync - I would be much more worried about some of these private security companies such as Blackwater then I would the military.

NavChief57: Agreed! that is why I said "other means" in the mix, but should have perhaps crystallized the picture a bit more. Blackwater, known by its new name "Xe" is definitely a likely and worrisome entity.

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Erik Prince reportedly has in his possession either the bullet or the gun that killed a US President. I can't remember which and I am not interested in it enough to Google it again. Suffice it to say, he's one sick puppy. I hear he is leaving the USA and good riddance. He has zero respect for Democracy and is a dangerous individual who flaunts the law with impunity.

Thanks, I did a bit of research on him. A pretty picture it is not.

your own article says its a lie ... why post the article then say its wrong...page three of the time article quotes MacArthur and others mocking the theory of the story!

Power I am not being an ass just wondering... And Fascism is government taking over government not business taking over the government. Is it not?

And Fascism is government taking over government not business taking over the government. Is it not?

Actually there are many definitions for Fascism. They seem to differ depending on the source. Here is one from the World English Dictionary:

1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

2. any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc

3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified: body fascism

As far as the validity to Major General Butler and the coup d'état. It is taught in our local public schools. Hope this clears things up for you. Of course there will be denials. I think there are those who say the holocaust never happened either.

Read the Wikipedia article on Smedley Butler. The Marine Corps considered him too unreliable to send to the western front in WWI. He was fired by the mayor from the job of Philadelphia's police chief because he trampled on the civil rights of the citizens. And he alleged that 500,000 veterans had descended on Washington to support the plot. How do 500,000 people keep a secret? How do they go unnoticed in 1930s Washington?

If you belief this, you should have time for the tooth fairy, UFOs, etc.

Jesse Ventura is about as reliable as Smedley Butler. If this had been ancient Rome, under Caligula or Nero, for example, or Stalinist Russia, many people would have lost their lives over this. Fortunately this is America and it (the allegation of a plot) was objectively investigated became the minor footnote in history it deserves to be.

The Marine Corps considered him too unreliable to send to the western front in WWI.

Butler was a multiply-decorated veteran. Dispute his record if you dare. You'd better have your own schit in order, though.

And he alleged that 500,000 veterans had descended on Washington to support the plot.

He alleged no such thing. Way to strawman an argument.

You're done here.