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American Workers Approve Corporations Decision to Outsource Jobs

Sat Jan 9, 2010 7:30 AM EST
business, money, small-business, jobs, employment, outsourcing, americans, corporations
By PowerIsKnowledge
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If you haven't stop spending your hard earned dollars with corporations that outsource jobs, then you're giving them an "atta boy"!

Americans can bring corporations to their knees simply by buying products from the Ma and Pa stores a/k/a small businesses.

Americans won't buy from Ma and Pa because they charge a little bit more. Does Ma and Pa charge more because it doesn't have the influx of clientele that the bigger Corporations have?

When will Americans take off the dunce cap and put on the thinkers cap?

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PowerIsKnowledge

When will Americans take off the dunce cap and put on the thinkers cap?

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 7:30 AM EST
J. W. Welch

Too many Americans seem determined to act contrary to their own best interests.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 9:02 AM EST
PowerIsKnowledge

J.W. Welch, you are so right. Americans are too lazy to act on their own behalf! They'd rather sit in front of their big screen televisions bought from Asia or another country then to act like adults and do something about their plight.

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 2:27 PM EST
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Max101st

I live in a small tourist town, when possible I try and shop locally but cant find everything I need. Five years ago a massive Walmart opened...everybody gravitated to it like "Zombies".

So far few local business have failed but its just a question of when.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 9:49 AM EST
Marcel Villa

Buy american products you say because if you don't then you are actually accepting outsourcing of jobs. In some instances, I agree but in most instances it is quite impossible for a person to buy something that is too expensive for their pockets. This is the reason why people vote for the government. Whoever is in power have the means to curtail incoming cheap products and to hell with trade practices that is unfair. The government must first see if the American manufacturers are charging or overcharging the public. They must correct this, Then raise the tariff to all incoming products so that it would be at par with the american prices. To put some teeth into this, the government must also punish those who intentionally increase their prices way beyond manufacturing cost not by just fines or levees. They must put the corporate officers in prison for their acts because it is against the public interest and that should be supreme over profit taking regardless if they have suffered loses in prior years. Why? because if the government let this happen it would be impossible to track them down later with all the accounting genuises out there. It takes years to uncover such anomalies.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 10:00 AM EST
EAS-E Auto Services

What you may want to look at is the businesses left now, how busy are they now if you think back to what they were? Keep supporting small business as they are your neighbors and the are fighting a brutal competitor for limited resources, that being you a consumer. If you see something missing mention it or offer the suggestion of a suggestion box, or a way to e-mail suggestions if you prefer. Small businesses don't have the massive budget to have strategists to assess every customer need. Mine was a towing and transport business and I can't tell you how helpful suggestions would be. Over 6 years I had a few and tried to adjust with a limited budget to work from. Most fierce competitors - Motor Clubs. I could beat them on long hauls and they don't deal with unregistered salvage or POV's. When I left the area to go out of state the phone rings all of a sudden, and I couldn't be everywhere at once. I adapted going further in debt taking on added equipment and a limited partner. End of 08 following fuel hitting $5/gallon work dropped by 40% as salvage value dropped 90% in 2-3 months. I was adding Motor Club support but, the financial strains by that point were overwhelming at best. Regular customers slowed their spending as creditors cut and froze accounts by the thousands. There is always a niche but, sometimes it takes years to find them. Surviving those changes to find just the right niche is very difficult for even the most attentive owners. I invested and assessed thousands of sales to find my customers voice. It takes your customers to tell you what they want versus saying nothing then wonder why they don't have it. With reasonable expectations. I had people tell me their car was in an accident so I rushed across town to find a car in a driveway where it had been for a month or more. No rush needed. Today nothing remains of my business other than years of strategic accounting records. Performance since start in 03 including 09 downfall over 200% yearly increase in sales dollars. Small business faces a lot more challenges than outsource workforces to increase profit, raise rates by force on credit for profits, buy bulk volume then monopolize by price alone, and no consideration for the community. Being as we live there we give all we can and ask just for your support. A little here and there is all it takes to keep going as we grow we improve for what you may not find available today we can adapt to meet a need, maybe not exactly but, we survive by adaptations for you. I competed with tow companies around for decades and started with a 1 ton pickup, and a car hauling trailer. I ended up with the same trailer, 2 hauler trucks, and a flatbed tow truck at my peak. I gave it my all. Pictured on my home page is the fleet I built that is no more. Hope to rebuild is all I can do now. It would've taken no more than a little more community support with occasional patience.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 10:34 AM EST
firsty

you make it seem like we have any more control over it than the people who answer phones for american express and go home to live in a shack.

we cant do anything because they control so much of the economy that we have no alternatives. those alternatives have been legislated away by the lobbyists paid by the corporations who require that there be no alternatives.

what you are suggesting would require there to be a free market, where consumers exercise control through their choices. but this is not a free market. goods and services are sold in one market but produced in another, so the market forces that exist in one market do not translate to the other.

all of the control is in the corporation's hands. where we've been stupid is in allowing our govt to enforce a myth of the free market — we've been duped by their use of language to believe that anything that has to do with being exploited for profit is inherent in capitalism. it's not. capitalism wouldnt be failing right now if we actually had a free market, where a company wouldnt be able to undercut wages simply by making sure its workers are not operating within the same economic conditions as its consumers.

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 11:02 AM EST
PowerIsKnowledge

#4-Marcel Villa- let's take government out of the mix and talk about what we can do to help ourselves. Why are you and others like you are always looking for someone to take care of you?

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 2:21 PM EST
PowerIsKnowledge

#6-frosty- Hate to say it but you're wrong because there are always alternatives! Americans are just too lazy to look for them. Americans always depend upon others to do things for them. This is a childish attitude. Americans need to grow up.

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 2:25 PM EST
firsty

if your whole premise is based on americans being a different sort of person than other people, to the point that it is some personality defect causing us to have a screwed up labor market, then i'm sorry for having wasted my time trying to debate with you.

if you're willing to discuss real answers to the questions you posed, there are plenty here willing to do that. but you'll have to do better than respond to a four-paragraph response with "you're wrong" and americans "need to grow up."

it's also rather intellectually dishonest to ask questions with answers in mind, as you have, and then respond with clear-cut opinions as a way to deal with thoughtful answers people gave you. that comment from marcel villa in no way suggested that he's "always looking for someone to take care of" him," and to say otherwise is a lie. you're lying in your own column.

you obviously have an agenda. it would be nice if you just owned up to your own full opinions and just let them be read. but i understand, if you havent really thought about your opinion or why you really have it, or if it actually makes sense, then you can probably only express it as responses to what you consider to be "wrong" points of view.

i suggest you think more about what you think on this issue. if you already know, then i suggest you tell us, and stand by your point of view as if it were yours.

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 2:41 PM EST
PowerIsKnowledge

My point is that Americans are too lazy to do what they say they want done and want others to do it for them. Politicians know that Americans will take whatever @!$%# they drop on their heads and that's why they continue to drop the @!$%#, and laugh as they continue to pay out big bonuses paid by those who continue to buy their products. If you don't agree because it makes you uncomfortable, then so be it, but I stand by my original premise.

    #8.2 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 3:09 PM EST
    Ozark Mountain Sage

    All I ask from the government is a level playing field.

    • 1 vote
    #8.3 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 5:18 PM EST
    PowerIsKnowledge

    I'd like a level playing field also, Ozark, but I don't believe that'll happen unless we make the politicians work for us.

    • 1 vote
    #8.4 - Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:51 AM EST
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    Marcel Villa

    Powerisknowledge comment #7,

    If only this could be reality. However we are not dealing with a block size community or even a small town. This is country wide, with each and every person having their own agenda and needs. Some may want expensive things while others would just want to get by. Others will not even care what others wants. ergo, with such a diversity how could anyone expect this whole conglomerate of people to act as one body. Even in religion, go to a town and you will see various sect. There is only one entity that can handle this kind of problem and it has to be the government. They have the money. the clout and the power to initiate and implement whatever program is necessary to achieve whatever it is that they want to achieve. This is one of the basic reason why people go to the polls to vote. It is not a question of relegating responsibility and looking for others to solve a problem. It is a basic question of accepting reality in a real world.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#9 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 4:40 PM EST
    PowerIsKnowledge

    Actually Marcel Villa, it is reality. It only takes only one person to get something started. It took one parent and one block size community to get the Amber Alert started and now its nationwide. Americans can effect change if they chose. Only individuals with defeatists attitudes see the glass as half empty.

      #9.1 - Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:10 AM EST
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      Real World Engineer

      Last thing I ever want to do is shop at some Ma & Pa shop that with:

      1) An inferior shopping experience

      2) An inferior or overpriced product ( Because it has to be American made.)

      3) A Ma & Pa working situation that really only treats Ma & Pa fair and most of the employees are underpaid, overworked, and ruled by nazi like thugs ( i.e. Ma&Pa)

      We have been creating a global market by selling stuff overseas for years. Why is wrong now that some of the jobs go overseas in that same global market?

        Reply#10 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 11:22 PM EST
        PowerIsKnowledge

        10- I've had inferior shopping experiences at some Macey's, J.C. Penney's, Burlington Coat Factorys, Lord and Taylor's and the like.

        I've purchased many inferior and overpriced products made overseas. As a matter of fact, wasn't there a recall a couple of weeks ago of baby cribs made overseas?

        Doesn't non-profits, Wal-Mart, CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreens, Target, the large department stores, Home Depot, and other chains underpay their employees in addition to not providing benefits? Don't many of them only offer part time hours so they don't have to provide benefits?

        With jobs going overseas, won't that put Americans out of work?

        Wouldn't crime increase with a loss of jobs?

        I've had great experiences shopping at the Ma & Pa's. They remember my name, given me discounts or have thrown in something for free to show their appreciation for my loyalty. The service is great and when I have a question, I can always reach a human. What I especially like is when something comes in they think I might want, they'll call me. I enjoy the personalize service.

        It's always been wrong, in my opinion, to outsource jobs overseas when it puts Americans out of work.

          #10.1 - Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:48 AM EST
          Real World Engineer

          With jobs going overseas, won't that put Americans out of work?

          We created the global market initially by all our sells overseas and that created many more jobs here.

          Naturally some jobs would eventually move overseas too. So there is little merit to complaining about outsourcing, just because it puts Americans out of work.

            #10.2 - Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:45 PM EST
            PowerIsKnowledge

            Real World Engineer, what jobs were created here by the global market?

              #10.3 - Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:20 AM EST
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              Canbyte

              My grandmother would have liked you. She did the same thing. Problem is, it doesn't solve the problem. In fact you don't really articulate the problem but rather, advocate an end, more or less, to free trade. The truth is that the world is equalizing. Why should a janitor/ mechanic/ tow truck operator in the US make more than the same in China or Africa? Even if there are good reasons (higher cost of living), that will not stop the squeeze. Outlaw 'free' trade - just try it. Yankees outlawed alcohol once, the same will happen again and folks in my town might well profit from such foolishness. The real answer is to analyse the problem (ie why are costs here so high) and correct it. I suggest folks think about the history of Britain over past few centuries for clues as to how systems adjust to outside competition. But first, the collapse must complete itself, the system must be purged and quite possibly, protectionism must rear its ugly head (again).

                Reply#11 - Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:31 PM EST
                For-a-fairer-wage

                Eventually wages will fall so far that goods will also have to be lowered in price in order for people to be able to afford to purchase them. Right now it's the unskilled/semi-skilled workers losing out. Eventually they will get an education and further reduce the wages of skilled workers. I know a glut of nurses graduating in my area looking for work. I also know they are willing to take a lower wage than current nurses. Perhaps this will lower the price of healthcare? Either way, the system will be equalized.

                  Reply#12 - Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:09 AM EST
                  Real World Engineer

                  Eventually wages will fall so far that goods will also have to be lowered in price in order for people to be able to afford

                  That will never ever happen long term. Under repubs and dems the primary goal of the FED and treasury is to stop prices dropping.

                  As wages fall, all that wil really happen is the standard of living will go down. Prices won't follow, except in small bits for the short term.

                  The gov and Fed will put out every trick they have to stop long term price drops.

                  • 1 vote
                  #12.1 - Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:01 AM EST
                  Canbyte

                  Engineer. What you describe looks like inflation or hyperinflation to me. Gold prices are saying the same thing. Bummer for the workie but them Chinese are smart and the US has shot itself in the foot. Or more accurately, banksters held up the joint. Wake up people. Good luck to all.

                  • 1 vote
                  #12.2 - Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:14 PM EST
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                  Marcel Villa

                  Power is knowledge,

                  You are referring to a program that was taken over by the state and the government not by individuals alone. It is true, they made it so that it became a byword but in the end it took the government to make it real and nationwide. Further you are referring to something that is criminal in nature not economics. There is a lot of difference in the approach between the two. The first is highly emotional, the second barely considers emotions.

                    Reply#13 - Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:19 AM EST
                    PowerIsKnowledge

                    The point is Marcel Villa, it was started by an individual before the government got involved.

                    What did I refer to that is criminal in nature and not economics?

                      #13.1 - Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST
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                      Marcel Villa

                      For a fair wage,

                      There is a glut of nurses and a lot of new nurses graduating. Do you think the Nursing association will permit the lowering of salaries of their members. This I got to see because I know of no professional association who will ever permit that to happen. You know what? They will try to convince the government to hire more nurses on temporary status to give the new graduates jobs and hope to high heaven that will find job elsewhere later, like overseas on government expense.

                        Reply#14 - Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:28 AM EST
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