Young Blacks Face Unemployment Rates More Than Triple the National Average

So the author (original) uses statistical data and states the findings and that = to all blacks whining?

Technically only one man is writing this, another man referenced it and a third person seeded it. But only in "real" Americans mind can three people = the entire black race.

By the way here is the original site that you couldn't be bothered to read. (and by your post if you read it you hadn't comprehended it)

After all, those real Americans don't like readin and numberin too much.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/23/AR2009112304092.html?hpid=topnews

Discrimination and racism are and have always been the affirmative action programs for white people, and anytime white skin is used as the basis to believe that whites are smarter or better than the blacks and brown people it should tell you that who ever makes those types of statements that they are really silly and stupid themselves.

The truth is that years ago the whites gained military superiority and used it to dominate the black, brown yellow and red people of this world. Where is the majority of all weapons produced, the answer is very simple in white countries.

And over the last 150 to 200 years or so the white people have subsequently used racial discrimination both legal and illegal to keep and maintain their position at the top of the economic ladder.

It should not surprise anyone that as bad as the descendants of slaves in America are doing that they as a group are doing a lot better than poor whites, who have no excuse at all for their pitiful plight and circumstances.

Just consider this point why do poor whites who have never been enslaved in America, or oppressed especially by black people. Why do these poor whites hate and blame poor blacks and browns so much for their own failures and shortcomings?

Why are poor white people poor, and what is their excuse for being poor?

Why do poor white people hate poor black people and love rich white people , especially when it is the wealthy and rich whites who have oppressed them and their families for the last 390 years in this country and for the last 1000 years or more in their ancestral homelands.

It is a fact that most poor whites came to America and killed most of the Indians getting away from the rich whites in Europe. Now only 390 years later, those same rich whites from old Europe are once again through their conglomerates and corporations once again running the show in Europe and America as well as most of Asia , Africa, the Middle East and South America.

renard:

please name for me one black person in America TODAY who has ever been enslaved. That was 160 years ago. Black people need to GET OVER IT

I will tell you what you can do for me, and that is to name the companies and the families in America that benefited and prospered from slavery.

And name me one white person who has not benefited directly or indirectly from the effects and practice of racial discrimination against the African Slaves and their descendants by the peculiar brand of racism, bigotry and discrimination as practiced here in America .

Well said renard!

And instead of people understanding that the oligarchy has pitted the poor against the each other. They just keep on fighting just like the powers that be want them to.

Back during the desegregation era the first thing the antis did was use fear and distrust on how AA would be taking white people jobs. Fast Foward to 2009 and now its the Hispanics (or the illegal term, which we all know is an excuse to blanket all Hispanics) are taking the jobs.

But no ethnic group has taken any jobs, the people who run this country shipped them overseas so they can pay slave wages and abuse other country men. And the jobs that they have left for the poor, (aka our youth, who have neither the experience or the education to compete with the baby boomers still left in the system), are service jobs that pay slave wages. Or does anyone really think that a job that pays less than the average health care primum for a family, can really sustain someone?

But instead of realizing that, you have the poor to lower and middle class, fighting each other over pennies that are thrown to them. They have oppressed our rural and urban communities, by dismantling our education system, neglecting our transportation system, and crumbling our infrastructure. Wages flate line, credit becomes easier, and now people are stuck in economic loop hole.

But hey, there is that recruiter that comes into poor schools (but mysteriously stays away from richer schools) so there is a way out.

War or poverty, thats the so-called freedom we have given our fellow countrymen.

please name for me one black person in America TODAY who has ever been enslaved. That was 160 years ago. Black people need to GET OVER IT

By, this logic, as long as a person is alive that went through a terrible point in our history they don't have to GET OVER IT. They are allowed to talk about it?

Well hell, that's easy every minority who is over the age of 45, was a victim of Jim Crow.

Guess what minorities, now kjmatisz gives you premission to voice your opinion, whooooopieeee! Doncha just feel blessed.

Whitehood

Discrimination,prejudice and racial bigotry are the refuge of poor whites.

When you are inherently stupid, and you have been oppressed for thousands of years by your own people like the poor whites in Europe are and were. It explains their desire to finally lord it over someone.

Think about this European term " Your Betters" it was a term used by the wealthy and aristocratic class of old Europe when they were talking to or explaining to the poor whites.

I read a lot and I have always been struck by the descriptions of the squalor and wretched living conditions of the poor whites in old Europe. And how they lived based upon the largess and mercy of the wealthy aristocratic class.

And name me one white person who has not benefited directly or indirectly from the effects and practice of racial discrimination against the African Slaves and their descendants by the peculiar brand of racism, bigotry and discrimination as practiced here in America.

Guess what renard...the black children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of slaves also benefited from the unfortunate sacrifices their ancestors made when the leaders in Africa sold them to King Henry like cattle. They have the life they have today, their existence in a nation that is not the poorest in the world.

Just as the black ancestors of old benefited from the Jews they enslaved even longer ago...it's a sad part of our history and at some point or another, one group has oppressed the other - it's up to the individuals if they choose to continue to hold a resentment or decide to move forward. Being Scottish and Mexican, a second generation American, I don't know what to think other than to say...everyone needs to take a chill pill.

That said, however, I would fair to guess that anyone living in the US today that DID have a distance ancestor that was enslaved appreciates their life as it is today, compared to what it might have been depending on where that ancestor was sold so long ago...I can't imagine anyone looking at their 5/3 on a quarter acre lot thinking that life would be so much better were they still in Ethiopia or Burundi.

renard

And name me one white person who has not benefited directly or indirectly from the effects and practice of racial discrimination against the African Slaves and their descendants by the peculiar brand of racism, bigotry and discrimination as practiced here in America .

I guess that would really depend upon your definition of "benefited" now wouldn't it?

The "benefits" that I have seen from these actions are HATE directed at me based upon my skin color, being passed over for jobs based upon my skin color, being targeted as a crime victim based upon my skin color.

Shawn, you are right. Everyone in this country has benefited from not only slavery but alsofrom tragedies that befell the natives when we conquered them.

I don't know what to think other than to say...everyone needs to take a chill pill

I agree!

And instead of people understanding that the oligarchy has pitted the poor against the each other. They just keep on fighting just like the powers that be want them to.

True, and I think that, at some point, black people have to conclude that the ones who don't see it never will, and the ones who do see it, yet don't have the will not to behave like the oligarchy want them to...will never gain that will.

First, most of the slave owners were financially destroyed during the civil war. SOOOO, yeah, there is your revenge. For the rest of it, as long as you act like a VICTIM, you will be a VICTIM. Lets talk about all the Irish that were indentured servants. Hey, all you Irish out there, you have a legitimate REASON for being poor, uneducated and in the highest percentile of criminals and victims of crime!! Take advantage of it! HURRY!

"Victim"=black person who won't bow to, and instead fights back agianst, anti-black racism.

Up is down.

Night is day.

Self-subjugation is strength.

Ohiogal - wanted to thank you for posting my name as a link in 2.7. While I KNOW that you were insinuating that my only background is something as frivolous as cooking, maybe a lot of people get to see that what I am actually doing is putting together a cookbook to benefit FOOD BANKS. Yes, rather than sitting here wasting time talking about why young black people don't have jobs, I am DOING SOMETHING TO HELP THOSE LESS FORTUNATE!. What are YOU doing?

While I KNOW that you were insinuating that my only background is something as frivolous as cooking, maybe a lot of people get to see that what I am actually doing is putting together a cookbook to benefit FOOD BANKS.

No. I would never do that. I am a firm bleivier that all jobs are important. Cooking most of ALL is not friviolous. You are talking to a girl that burns Ramen.

maybe a lot of people get to see that what I am actually doing is putting together a cookbook to benefit FOOD BANKS

Its apprcieated. It is needed at this time of the year. Especially during this recession.

Yes, rather than sitting here wasting time talking about why young black people don't have jobs, I am DOING SOMETHING TO HELP THOSE LESS FORTUNATE

Actually, you ARE sitting here talking about why young black people don't have jobs. If you weren't, well, you wouldn't be reading this now would you.

What are YOU doing?

Right now, like food banks free health clinics are backed up out of the waaazooo. When I'm not working or studying, I spend my time there performing physicals for the homeless at our community clinic.

After the block ends, AMA will be doing their annual food drives, AMSA is doing the blood banks, and I think both the PA students and Nursing students are doing clothes drives that need a lot assistance. I'll be hitting up all three when school breaks.

Thanks for asking btw. I take community service very seriously.

Please provide the source of your claim that there are more whites living off of government welfare.

Repub

Sorry to tell you this but if you are JUST looking at raw numbers and NOT looking at percentages the claim is true.

Show the source. Back it up with proof.

Most recent finding I was able to find (quickly) were here: http://www.census.gov/apsd/www/statbrief/sb95_2.pdf

(unfortunately, they are from '95, so their legitamacy to today's model may hold no bearing, but they do show that:

Race: About 1 in 4 Black mothers of childbearing ages (1.5 million) were AFDC recipients, higher than the 7 percent of corresponding White mothers (2.1 million).

page 2 of 4

so "percentages of" where higher to the black population, but "number of" where higher to the white population. See, everyone can be right.

There were other interesting stats regarding education, nationality, etc. but this conversation seemed to be directed here specifically.

Repub- 1484163

You can find more current information than 1995 this is just one article that makes the point about whites and welfare.

http://www.natvan.com/adv/2006/01-07-06.html

all you really need to do is google white people on welfare and collecting food stamps.

The news media that is controlled by whites make the face of poverty "black" but the reality is that there are more poor white people collecting and receiving local state and federal welfare assistance than there are black people in America and some have been collecting welfare for more than 2 generations.

Myth Two: Most welfare recipients are inner-city African Americans.

"About two-thirds of people who receive welfare are white. Overall, there are more whites than blacks. When we think 'poor,' we think 'city.' We forget there is severe poverty in parts of rural America." this is and excerpt of another article you can find at

http://wustl.edu/spring02/Markrank.html

They've had to recently revise definitions of poverty to accommodate what defines livable wages in certain states; for example, in the city I'm currently living in my pay qualifies as one of the highest in the county, yet my pay compared to other areas of the country would qualify me for welfare.

Alabama still has hundreds of people without indoor plumbing. Now that's poverty, third world conditions in an industrial nation.

I agree with you renard with respect to the physical number of persons on welfare, but as the population of the US is drastically disproportionate, the number makes it a biased result.

In the 2006 census listed roughly 202,454,545 (68%) non-hispanic whites. The same census listed roughly 40,193,181 (13.5%) blacks.

So if you had (for extreme purposes) 40 million blacks on welfare and 41 million whites on welfare, the number of whites would be greater...which would completely agree with what you are saying. But what that would also indicate (and why there's most likely the presumptions made), based on those identical numbers, 99.52% blacks on welfare and 20.25% whites on welfare. So in a room of equal number of blacks and whites, you have pretty much all of one race be on welfare, but only 1 in 4 of the other race be on it.

That's why I had said, "everyone can be right". It's the fun with numbers...it's all how you decide to use the numbers and the outcome you are trying to get to.

As someone else on another thing stated so eloquently:

Like I said, I could personally care less. I think the more you break things down by racial statistics, it just promotes racism. However, these kind of skewed bullcrap positions must be pointed out.

The plain simple fact is that there are more whites living in poverty and off welfare in America than there are Black people in America.

You can slice it, dice it, chew it, or spit it but that is the simple fact.

Really? Blacks are responsible for the majority of the violent crime. But lets get back to the facts of Blacks and employment or the lack thereof. One of the biggest reasons is absenteeism. Black are the worse at showing up and YBM are the biggest offenders. The rest of us are tired of your worn out racism excuses.

awww look ^! A Real American™ showed up!

Now everyone make sure you use Country, Freedom, and Constitution when speaking, we don't want to scare it away!

The plain simple fact is that there are more whites living in poverty and off welfare in America than there are Black people in America.

Then you are right...because there are roughly 5x as many Non-hispanic whites (labeled as such in accordance with the US census report) than there are blacks in America, stands to reason that there would be more whites on welfare.

Chris

I think the youth both black and white are screwing themselves and ruining their potential futures. And I also think that there is a lot about the activities of all of our young people that makes any hope for the future of America suspect.

Yes Black youth have problems, but like I said I read a lot and white youth across America in the villages,towns and cities are just as equally screwed up, they are sniffing chemicals, taking meth, shop lifting, stealing,killing, stealing cars, raping, and in general getting into every bit as much trouble as black kids.

It is just reported different.

Like many have said racism is a crutch it is still around but not like it was and for some reason some seem to think racism doesn't apply to whites as well

I always hear this, but no one can EVER point out WTF said whites aren't victims of racism. But here it is, yet again, someone arguing the obvious, that whites can be victims of bigotry.

This is always first to set up a story that could have stood on its own with out the intro:

...now here is a little something for a few to ponder....I have several black friends who make comments on black youth and there comments are its all about priority.

a.ka. "Well my five 'black' friends have given me the ability to reference 30 million AA."

So this is the story we are getting into? This is as obvious as who the killer is in a B rated movie. Lets hear more. . . .

They themselves are disappointed in black youths in there actions and the way they treat others and there goals.

Well imagine that. Can you believe that blacks can actually care about their communities. I bet when you heard this, you were as surprised as O'Riley was to find out they use forks in Harlem.

From disrespect to the lack of real goals...Rap stars...pro ball players and gangs to drugs and blacks killing each other over material things.

Wow! from rap stars and ball players, who are actually millionaire entertainers, to gangs, drugs and murder. Talk about a spectrum covered in one sentence.

They are sadden by these events and the lack of true leaders like MLK

No story about AAs is complete without the evoking of Martin Luther King.

The last company i worked for hired blacks and in the course of 6 months 3 quit after the second week and the other 2 where fired for stealing and all around the age of 20..hmmmm...

And we leave off with another 5 more blacks being a representation of the community.

*I wonder, does anyone ever pay attention to the TOTAL amount of turnover at their jobs, or is it only noticeable when people are pigmented.*

All and all, i give your story about 3 stars out of 5. I'm overly impressed that you hit many classics in a single paragraph, but disappointed because of lack of creativity in rehashing the same old story.

OhioGal- Some Martin Luther King Jr. quotes:

Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them.

A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

Read the last one the other day while flipping through Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States." Fantastic read if anybody is interested.

Mob,

I'll have to check it out, sometime, thanks. :)

Of course I'm partial to that second quote, good find!

hey, well at least i scored a pt! :)

oooops!

This is an article from the Washington Post referenced by Politics Daily.

If there is one trait that spans all races in Amuuuuurica, it is the inability to read before commenting.

Wow - u r sew smart - but it was still "seeded" to MSNBC by someone who believes there has not been enough discussion about Blacks in the last three weeks. The moderators can make a go/no go for a seed - hence - MSNBC approval/publication.

Still - even FOX wouldn't stoop that low.

America is worse than South Africa because not only Is America ramp, she also is deceitful and hypocritical. South Afnca preaches segregation and practices segregation. She, at least, practices what she preaches. America preaches integration and practices segregation. She preaches one thing while deceitfully practicing another.

Malcolm X

Wow - u r sew smart

Why thank you ;)

but it was still "seeded" to MSNBC by someone who believes there has not been enough discussion about Blacks in the last three weeks

Technically it was seeded to Newsvine, and while MSNBC did acquire it in 2007, it is still considered independent of its owner.

But, you've got a point to make, and by golly, you are going to link MSNBC to it or die trying.

The moderators can make a go/no go for a seed - hence - MSNBC approval/publication.

Which would be an interesting point, if MSNBC were the moderators.

Still - even FOX wouldn't stoop that low.

What better way to tie off a comment then to throw in a network that has nothing to do anything.

But now that we got the stab at FOX, MSNBC, Newsvine, the seeder, and everything that happened the last three weeks out of the way, are you going to comment on article or stay on the soap box?

My point is - the article was poorly written and was very biased - the media must really be bored and they cannot find any real news stories to write - so - Tiger hits the front page every day - the woes and trials of some Blacks are pushed in front of us 10 times in 3 weeks - Lou Dobbs said blah, blah, blah - the Crashers are gonna have triplets - where is the news??? Talk about Obama's speech last night (two articles today on the vine) - talk about the bad weather systems in the SW and their impact on folks - talk about who's in the background, waiting to take Swartzenaggles place next year - talk about news. Tiger is not news except during a golf tournament. "Some" Blacks having difficulty is not news, especially when there are other minorities who are feeling the same or more pain, but "MOST" Blacks having difficulty - that is news. Lou Dobbs - who cares?

On a secondary note - the over-exposure of stories of "Some" Blacks having difficulties is only feeding the split between the races - not just Black and White, but other races (yes, there are other races in the U. S. besides Black/White) due to the comparisons/lack thereof of accurate, specific information and facts - not conjecture or subjective logic - in other words - news - objective reporting of specific information and/or facts.

Warrior

For someone who complains about how things aren't news, you sure have a vivid recollection of these events.

That indicates they are news. It may not be what you want to hear, but it doesn't change what it is.

This article, Lou dobbs, and Tiger, etc. fits into the classic definition of what news is. I am not aware of any definition of news that excludes subjective information, and states re-told information of an event can only be objective.

There is also thousands of pages on the internet to find news that does interest you. Then you can spend time seeding them, instead of wasting time worrying about what interests others. I'm sure this, will do wonders for the soul.

FOX WSJ same company, maybe FOX hires black people specially to stoop that low

Sounds to me like some people should pay more attention to Martin Luther King, Jr and Less attention to that racist moron Jesse Jackson

renard - Blacks weren't the only slaves. In the early 1000's, whites were slaves to whites - blacks were slaves to blacks - browns were slaves to browns - yellows were slaves to yellows - reds were slaves to reds.

233 years - the Constitution was signed in 1776, not 1619. The first Blacks arrived in the "New World", i.e. Antigua, Santa Domingo (West Indies), Jamiaca in the 1500's with the Spaniards where they were mixed in with the Native Americans already enslaved to help on the sugar plantations.

Dominant culture has had the Ordained Destiny since the beginning of time, and it has nothing to do with Blacks - it has to do with dominance over all races.

By the way - not all slaves in American came from Africa - they came from Asia, Europe, the Native Americans, South America - and they weren't all Black.

Get off your soap box and learn some accurate history.

Sounds to me like some people should pay more attention to Martin Luther King, Jr and Less attention to that racist moron Jesse Jackson

...ok...

“The white establishment is skilled in flattering and cultivating emerging leaders. It presses its own image on them and finally, from imitation of manners, dress, and style of living, a deeper strain of corruption develops. This kind of Negro leader acquires the white man's contempt for the ordinary Negro. He is often more at home with the middle-class white than he is among his own people. His language changes, his location changes, his income changes, and ultimately he changes from the representative of the Negro to the white man into the white man's representative to the Negro. The tragedy is that too often he does not recognize what has happened to him.”

and...

"I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective -- the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed measure: the guaranteed income."

Pop!

Plants - maybe you could put that into English. I don't have any idea what you are talking about or what your point REALLY is.

My point is that there was a real MLK, and there is a fairy tale MLK. the MLK you're saying we should listen to is the fairy tale one...the "kindly old uncle" MLK, even though he wasn't even 40 when he was killed. I'm just giving you a glimpse of the real MLK...you know, the one you'd despise if you had been an adult in the 60's. Those two quotes are from the actual Martin Luther King....the black Martin Luther King....not the one created by anti-black whites.

Plantz- well put!

Kjmatisz-

Piaget theorized there were 4 basic stages of cognitive development. Sensorimotor, pre-operational, concrete operational, and formal operational. According to the original theory, after about 11 or 12 years, people should reach the last stage.

However, we currently know that is not true. It is estimated that 30-60% (depending on the study) of Americans have never reached and will not reach the formal phase. In other words, they have no capacity to think, about thinking.

Kj, given your ability to relate to the issue as hand, i'm not surprised at all you didn't understand 11.3.

FST warrior

the form of slavery practiced by whites against the Africans in America was unique in history as the whites dehumanized the blacks in and by law.

You my adolescent friend should really learn about the difference in slavery as practiced by others in world history and the form of slavery which came to be known as Chattel Slavery as practiced here in America.

Still there, eh?

And the slavery practiced in Africa - with blacks killing blacks - women, children, old men; or the slavery practiced in South America - with blacks killing blacks - women, children, old men; or the slavery practiced in the West Indies - with blacks killing blacks - women, children, old men - that is different how???

Learn your history before you try to educate.

the form of slavery practiced by whites against the Africans in America was unique in history as the whites dehumanized the blacks in and by law.

Funny and here the history books show that the FIRST legal challenge to put chattel slavery into law was by a BLACK slave owner.

Sure we would and if you all still decide to leave we'd all be better off.

Powers - you need to read my previous posts and you'll see that I have stuck to the subject of the article. We just have others who love to stray and aggitate.

Whitehood

You did pick it as indentured servants, but your ancestors were physically weak and inferior specimens and unable to stand up to the rigors of cotton picking .

In other words you were poor workers.

But we could show up on time and could sail ships around the world and invent stuff.

Please. He can't debate the facts. Blacks have trouble with employment because of a number of things. You can start with absenteeism which is rampant especially in their youth and which doesn't come from slavery. He ignores the obvious and instead uses a worn out racism game which frankly everyone is tired of. We can take on productivity issues per unit hour afterwards.

Nope, just stating a fact about Black absenteeism and not liberal hogwash.

whitehood

But we could show up on time and could sail ships around the world and invent stuff.

so your ancestors were black, here's me thinking that the whitehood was a reference to people who aired their sheets rather than wash them.

Nah doc, We've met before on MSN. It's me jh. My name has nothing to do with the Klan. Lets talk on this. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the slavery BS argument.

Like in Rwanda? Like in Zimbabwe? Like in Ivory Coast? Like among themselves in every inner city in the world they inhabit.

No like in the United States against the Indians, in Africa during the colonization, in Germany during the holocaust, in Nagasaki, in Hiroshima, in Korea, in Iraq for Oil, and in Afghanistan for control of the Opium

Please spare me the liberal hypocrisy. Want more Black genocides. How about Zanzibar? Burundi?. Maybe Equatorial Guinea come to mind. In fact almost every Sub Saharan country led by Blacks have had at least one in the last 50 years. Lets also go through you pitiful list. The A bomb cities occured in a war and can hardly be considered genocide. Korea could hardly be considered a genocide under any definition and neither could Iraq or Afghanistan. Any other weak liberal excuses?

It was genocide the war was over they were already surrendering

renard

White people have committed genocide and mass murder against every group of people on the planet.

See NO discrimination there. EVERY group targeted EQUALLY!!!

I think you are just upset that it is NOT your group that was able to do that.

Excellent point - one that should have been made earlier to possibly cut off the many mis-directions being "discussed".

This seed isn't useless. It's very useful to black people, many of whom need to understand just how much things haven't changed.

Just consider this point why do poor whites who have never been enslaved in America, or oppressed especially by black people. Why do these poor whites hate and blame poor blacks and browns so much for their own failures and shortcomings?

Why are poor white people poor, and what is their excuse for being poor?

Because they carry the same social pathologies that Blacks keep as their birthright.

So what you are saying is that poor whites and blacks are the same yet the poor whites don't suffer from the lingering effects of slavery or ever being systematically discriminated against who would have ever guessed it.

yet the poor whites don't suffer from the lingering effects of slavery or ever being systematically discriminated against who would have ever guessed it.

I think you really need to do a bit of research.

EVERY group in this country, at one time or another, was "systematically discriminated" against.

Lets face it when we speak of the 16 -24 year old demographic

Piper Girl,

The youth of America's majority race population of any economic /class strata are not sorted into tidy toxic boxes.

I agree that why is the important question here. Unfortunately, there seems to be no one answer, including just saying the cause is racism. The reason is a large mix of factors: education, culture, economic,etc with racism being probably being the smallest factor. Remember several months back we had a discussion about black students testing lower than their counterparts, even those in the same classroom?

4real

To me it shows some arent saying hey we have a segment of OUR population being adversley hit harder than others, why?

Therein is THE problem with this article.

It gives these alarming numbers(?) and NO basis for comparison.

What are the numbers for this age range among whites?, Hispanics?, Asians?, Native Americans?

THOSE numbers are NOT given and I would believe that they are comparable. NOT that one demographic is being hit harder than anyone else.

This article was written in a manner to re-enforce a "victim" mentality and stir people up.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no one answer, including just saying the cause is racism.

I think the reasons those disparities exist do stem from the racist policies of our history and the proximity we are to that era. But I agree with you that it is not enough to just point that out if we arent talking about solutions.

It gives these alarming numbers(?) and NO basis for comparison

If you look at the Washington Post article this article sites you will see the comparison made against the national average.

I looked at several other sources Most quote the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

In October 2009

Blacks 15.7 Whites 9.5 Asian 7.5 (not seasonally adjusted)

It didnt include hispanics, and there are stats listed for 16-19 yrs olf

Also saw this other graph that shows unemployment between races since 1974

The trends are pretty consitent no matter how you slice the demographics

This article was written in a manner to re-enforce a "victim" mentality and stir people up.

The article didnt blame or belittle anybody. I dont know how acknowledging a disparity makes somebody a victim. The individual cant allow that fact to hinder them, in that much we agree: it is not an excuse for personal failure. But as a society we should be "stirred up" to fix it.

Like Crystal alludes to, there are many race independent factors that if fixed would help improve the disparities. Obama said if you correct the underlying conditions those affeected the most benefit the most.

But dont get mad at the data certain people are being hit harder than others. Same with health outcomes and other measurable "quality of life" standards.

Good points 4real. Unfortunately, most "solutions" in the past do more to spread racism and prejudiced beliefs, ie affirmative action. A good intention gone totally awry. Focus is needed on those other factors first. Education, cultural and individual beliefs and assumptions, etc then lets see where we stand. Far too many people (of every color) assume racism or the victim mentality first, instead of questioning eveything else first.

The irony to it is that people will use the percentages to prove a point for the unemployment, so as to say that 30.5% are unemployed. As that shows a high statistic within the race, but those same people will be equally quick to switch to numbers instead of percentages when you talk about people on welfare, as that number (as illustrated in #4.12) is much higher because of the racial breakdown of population in the US.

So if you want to apples-to-apples, find the number of people out of work in each race and I'll agree with you (most likely) that, again because there are 5x the number of whites in the US than blacks (from a 2k6 census), there are more whites out of work than blacks (number-based).

In fact, government statistics will back this fact up, almost to the matching percentage:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/famee.t01.htm

2008 Stats

Black

• 9,297 - number of families
• 1,188 - with unemployed member(s)
• 12.8 - as a percentage of total families

White

• 63,490 - number of families
• 4,506 - with unemployed member(s)
• 7.1 - as a percentage of total families

So you could argue that the number of whites out of work is greater...or argue that there are a greater percentage of blacks that are out of work.

So as I've said not only here, but on other vines and discussions...numbers and statistics are tools that can be used to prove your point, whatever your point is. Simply change the way you view the number (numbers to percentages or vice versa) and you can argue your point equally effectively. Being informed on exactly what the values MEAN in the context that they are presented is the key.

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Focus is needed on those other factors first. Education, cultural and individual beliefs and assumptions, etc

Part of that is realizing the etiologies that affect those things may stem from racial and cultural things. We need not be afraid to admit that, because the solution may rely in those things.

For example in medicine it was shown that blacks tended to have lower compliance rates with medicines than whites. Now many things could have been inferred about the etiology of that phenomenon. Some had proposed blacks lacked knowledge to carry out compliance some thought it was about the level of poverty and blacks were choosing not to fill scripts. But when the research was actually done it came down to trust issues. The comparative studies showed blacks trusted their doctors far less than whites and may have been contributory to non-compliance. Now doctors could have gotten way defensive and said the study was calling them racist, but instead they looked for ways to improve the doctor patient relationship and from that sprang up a whole culture of understanding cultural impact on medicine which is taught in most med schools as part of the curriculum's.

Another example was with blacks and hypertensive medications. At first the guidelines were based solely on research conducted on mostly white sample populations but blacks continued to have worse outcomes with the same protocol until research showed that blacks respond better to diuretics that calcium channel blockers (which had been first line). The pills and the doctors werent racist, but looking at race specifically was crucial for improving outcomes.

I stick with medical example cause thats what I know off hand, but there have been similar epidemilogical and sociological studiest in other areas.

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging differences. I think we get acknowledging differences and prejudging based on differences intertwined.

the solutions THEY advocate ask for OTHERS to solve, change, finance or intervene in.

Jave you really should read links before you comment on them.

The ebony experiment was started by a black family who encouraged blacks to patron only black businesses for a year and see if that impacted their neighborhoods.

It was blacks trying NOT to ask others to "solve change finance or intervene" and was called racist because the implication was that the people involved would not be patronising other race's businesses.

Personally, I was ambivelant about the idea. Part of me felt that it was too exclusive and would segregate people who see the disparities as the nation's problems and not blacks. Then comments like yours make me think that it is totally necessary because there will always be elements that feel it is a "your"/ "our" problem. Other cultures support their businesses and communities first.

I feel America sends the mixed message that we want total assimilation, but we dont want to help with it. MHO. I feel its a changing message. I am confident it will get better, but I still feel that way.

4real?

Maybe it's just me, but I can't think of the last time(if EVER) that I asked what the race of the owner of a business was.

They either had what I was looking for or they didn't.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't think of the last time(if EVER) that I asked what the race of the owner of a business was

Nor do I. I dont think most people do. But you know there are communities like lil havanah, or little China where people specifically patron their community and only shop outside of it for the things they need. Now I do think people do need to support their local business more. Mom and Pops over Wal-Mart, but that is a different argument.

With regards to the Ebony experiement. If you follow the link to the seeded article you see I didnt support it, but I do have mixed feelings about it for the reasons I stated above. If people are going to draw lines in the sand "your" problems then it makes me wonder if my position is wrong. If people are going to view problems as "the black communities" problem and not an American problem, then where should my loyalties lie? Should I even have to make that decision?

But you know there are communities like lil havanah, or little China where people specifically patron their community

And those communties served as a base for those communities' success. And...even given the success of Asians, Chinatowns still exist, don't they?

4real?

But you know there are communities like lil havanah, or little China where people specifically patron their community and only shop outside of it for the things they need.

There is a MAJOR difference between things like the little's you listed above and the ebony experiment you are talking about.

In the "little's" you have a group(community) that is basically self-segregating and are predominately inside of a well defined geographic area. That makes it much much more likely when you are running to the store for a half gallon of milk to end up patronizing a store owned by someone in your group.

In the "experiment" they went out of their way, often times double or triple the distance, to do their shopping. Now HAD there been a "defined" geographic area, that's one thing, but these folks were running across town in all different directions.

I don't know maybe I'm turning into a "green" or something, but I try to live and shop close to where I work. I'm no longer into the 50-75 mile one way commutes for work. I changed about 20 years ago, I try to live within 3-5 miles of where I work and if possible in an area that has the majority of the stores that I need to visit on a regular basis.

In the "little's" you have a group(community) that is basically self-segregating and are predominately inside of a well defined geographic area

And you dont think people who dont live there go an patron those businesses when they can? I know in Miami many people who dont live in Lil Havannah go do their businiess there. I havent lived in San Fransico so I cant speak for Chinatown but I am sure it is the same way.

And you dont think people who dont live there go an patron those businesses when they can?

Well you know what?

If you wish to fight your way across town during rush hour or any other time to go to a certain store JUST because of the race of the owner, well that is your choice.

But to try and say that doing something like that is NOT "racist", when the owners RACE is the determining factor in your decision to shop there is ridiculous.

But to try and say that doing something like that is NOT "racist", when the owners RACE is the determining factor in your decision to shop there is ridiculous

Well that's why I have mixed feelings about that. I mean if it was that everybody truly felt that the plights facing the minority business was the same plight of all small business and supported them equally. I would unequivically agree.

But look how many people characterize the problem as "the black community's" problem. That makes me wonder if the support needs to come more from the black community. I mean if the problem is going to be theirs alone, should the solutions?

Look how many people applauded Bill Cosby and Obama for saying the black community needed to take personal responsibilty for the disparities facing them, yet the same people boo and shout racism when they do. Like I said sends a mixed message to me.

Personally I would like the most inclusive solutions to be the ones sought, but for that to happen the problems would have to be viewed as a collective problem

Another thing that I thought about concerning the "little's" and why folks who live outside of those communities go to shop there, is the "speciality" items.

I do know that in my town there are certain spices and ingredients that are ONLY carried in certain "ethnic" stores in certain parts of town.

So if there is a need for an item that is ONLY carried in stores owned by a certain "community" you have to shop there.

Look how many people applauded Bill Cosby and Obama for saying the black community needed to take personal responsibilty for the disparities facing them, yet the same people boo and shout racism when they do. Like I said sends a mixed message to me.

Well, you have to understand that those people applauded Cosby and Obama because the perceived them as being purely punitive toward other black people. They think Black America needs to be punished.

Personally I would like the most inclusive solutions to be the ones sought, but for that to happen the problems would have to be viewed as a collective problem

In the absence of those inclusive solutions, the "collective" that has to attend to the problems (to the extent those problems exist) has to be made of of black people, primarily. The upside to that situation is that we get to do it mostly on our terms.

Whitehood

Your ignorance of history would be funny if you weren't so gullible and naive. do a little research sometime..........

The surrender of Japan in August 1945 brought World War II to a close. By August 1945, the Imperial Japanese Navy effectively ceased to exist, and an Allied invasion of Japan was imminent. While publicly stating their intent to fight on to the bitter end, Japan's leaders at the Supreme War Council (the "Big Six") were privately making entreaties to the Soviet Union to mediate peace on terms favorable to the Japanese. The Soviets, meanwhile, were preparing to attack the Japanese, in fulfillment of their promise to the Americans and the British made at the Yalta Conference.

On August 6 and 9, the Americans dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, respectively. Also on August 9, the Soviet Union launched a surprise invasion of the Japanese colony in Manchuria (Manchukuo), in violation of the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact. These twin shocks caused Emperor Hirohito to intervene and order the Big Six to accept the terms the Allies had set down for ending the war in the Potsdam Declaratio

Whitehood

For your information the United States has been listed as the perpetrator of the worst genocide in history with a estimate of the European Whites who settled in America having killed 15,000,000 Native Americans ( that is 15 million Indians) from 1492 AD up to today.

Renard pay attention. The IJA is the army, not the navy. You know, the navy has ships. IJA renegade forces came very close to stopping the peace process. The IJA was ready to fight because a large segment of them, especially the army units in China which had been transferred back to Japan had never been militarily defeated. When you get something beyond a 6th grade education on WW2 get back to me.

ebonics math

WTF? Do we have to go there to prove a point?

We are talking about white people and genocide who cares whether or what they called themselves the fact is they were white.

We are talking about white people and genocide who cares whether or what they called themselves

ROTFLMMFAO!!!!

Still sounds like jealousy that it was that group and NOT yours that managed it.

You got it in one. Renard had a tiger wood against Whites.