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I'm Sick and Tired of being Sick and Tired! PIK's Story about Lupus—the elusive 'wolf'!

Tue May 12, 2009 7:34 AM EDT
health, steroids, arthritis, kidney, wolf, dermatologist, lupus, nih, memory-loss, butterflies, national-institutes-of-health, mercola, rheumatology, systemic-lupus-erythematosus, sle, autoimmune-illness, discoid-lupus-erythematosus, neonatal-lupus, niams, plaquenil, subacute-cutaneous-lupus-erythematosus
By PowerIsKnowledge
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I must first say that I'm not struggling with lupus but it's struggling with me! I say that because I refuse to be this thug's victim!

I can't remember when lupus moved in with me and refused to leave but since being diagnosed, lupus has learned to live by my house rules most of the time.

Though my lupus wasn't diagnosed until I was around forty, the symptoms appeared when I was under ten years of age. It started with sore throats. My parents would take me to the doctor when I complained but was always told it was nothing but a sore throat. When my parents asked did I need my tonsils removed because of the frequency of the sore throats, the doctor said nothing was wrong with my tonsils. In college, the exhaustion kicked in. I would be full of energy and going about the day achieving goals when my body would crash from exhaustion. I had to stop what I was doing to wait until my body generated enough energy for me to walk to my car and drive home, and during the drive I would tell myself I wasn't that far from home and I could make it. The butterflies appeared while I was a teen but never on the face and would always disappear a day or two before the doctor's appointment, the sly 'wolf'.

Before being diagnosed, when my body crashed and my thoughts skewed, I thought I was going crazy because I would forget things and never remembered forgetting them. Some of you are probably laughing thinking I'm making a joke but those who have been through this can relate. We all sometimes forget where we placed our keys but the memory will usually come back later but with me, the memory never resurfaces. When friends or relatives would tell me, "Oh you must have forgotten, again," I thought they were trying to pull one over me. Another curious thing that happened is a quarter sized depression and bald spot appeared in my head. Before that, bald spots appeared on both temples and on the peak of my forehead. The dermatologists said the baldness was caused by Alopecia areata for which there is no cure. I totally ignored the two opinions because my hair always grew back.

One day I was sitting with a friend who noticed the butterfly across my nose. She said, "That spot across your nose has been there for quite a while and I think you should have it checked because it looks a lot like the spots I had before being diagnosed with skin cancer." At my friends suggestion, I made a doctors appointment. A few days before the appointment my body crashed in a different way! All my joints started to ache and walking was nearly impossible. On the day of the appointment I was in great pain and so exhausted it took all I had to walk from the car to the clinic. On that day I decided I wouldn't leave the doctor's office until they made a diagnosis. Fortunately, we were military so every doctor of every specialty was located in the same building.

I started with my primary doctor who said she knew what it wasn't but didn't know what it was. She called in an internist and he said the same thing. They called in the head of the department and he said he didn't know what it was and told my primary doctor to send me to dermatology. The dermatologist looked at me and said, "I think I know what it is but I can't make a diagnosis until after I've run tests." Every day for five days I went to the hospital and gave blood. A few days later, the dermatologist called me and told me to come in because she could now make a diagnosis.

My dermatologist told me I had an autoimmune illness called Discoid lupus erythematosus and Subacute cutaneous lupus erythematosus. I was so relieved that my illness now had a name I signed in relief. Then I thought to ask her, am I'm going to die? She said eventually but not today. I enjoyed her sense of humor in case you're wondering. I asked her if I was going to die from lupus? She said no. She prescribed Plaquenil which I took for a few years before stopping. While on Plaquenil I couldn't stay awake and would fall asleep anyplace—I learned not to sit down when not in a safe place. The worse part of the Plaquenil therapy was it affected my thought process. I would be driving and aware of my surroundings but had no idea how to get to where I was going, or where I was going, or how to get back home. I would have to pull into a parking lot and sit until my brain started functioning again. I knew I had to replace the Plaquenil with something else and I chose not to make steroids an option,

Shortly thereafter, my body crashed and it took a few years to get my health back. I scoured the Internet and the local library for every bit of information I could find on lupus when I came across www.mercola.com. I learned about alternative therapies and the significance of diet and environment change. I reintroduced my body to fish oil; my mother had given us cod liver oil every morning when we were children. She also gave us a shot of Morgan David wine every morning to build the iron in our blood.

I read how a lot of illnesses are not illnesses at all but vitamin deficiencies something, the majority of doctors never check before making a diagnosis or before prescribing toxins a/k/a medications. In addition to fish oil I included CoQ-10, Ester-C, E-400, Burdock Root, Selenium, B-50, magnesium, and Valerian Root when I can't sleep. I changed my diet and removed all toxic relationships from my life, including changing employment to manage stress. A few months after changing my therapy from a toxic one to a natural one, my body begun to heal.

My body still crashes but not as often and I bounce back in a shorter period of time.

The Many Shades of Lupus (NIAMS)

►Systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) is the form of the disease that most people are referring to when they say "lupus." The word "systemic" means the disease can affect many parts of the body.

►Discoid lupus erythematosus is a chronic skin disorder in which a red, raised rash appears on the face, scalp, or elsewhere.

►Subacute cutaneous lupus erythematosus refers to skin lesions that appear on parts of the body exposed to sun. The lesions do not cause scarring.

►Drug-induced lupus is a form of lupus caused by medications. Many different drugs can cause drug-induced lupus.

►Neonatal lupus is a rare disease that can occur in newborn babies of women with SLE

Lupus is an autoimmune disease. Your body's immune system is like an army with hundreds of soldiers. The immune system's job is to fight foreign substances in the body, like germs and viruses. But in autoimmune disease, the immune system is out of control. It attacks healthy tissues, not germs. "The Many Shades of Lupus" by the National Institutes of Health, p. 2.

http://www.niams.nih.gov/Health_Info/Lupus/default.asp
http://www.lupus.org/newsite/index.html
http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/medical_info_links/lupus_information/
http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseases/pubs/lupusnephritis/
http://www.lupusalliance.org/mission_statement.asp
http://lupusresearchinstitute.org/index.php?q=research
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/l/lupus/misdiag.htm
http://www.lupusinternational.com/join/benefits.aspx
http://www.aad.org
http://www.aaos.org
http://www.rheumatology.org
http://www.aarda.org
http://www.arthritis.org
http://www.lupusny.org

Please visit the following sites to see what skin lupus look like.

http://dermnetnz.org/immune/cutaneous-lupus.html
http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/discoid_lupus_eryt.html

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PowerIsKnowledge

We are only a victim if we choose to be!

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue May 12, 2009 7:38 AM EDT
CCArm

PIK,

Is it common for people to go as long as you did without the correct diagnosis?

It has always made sense to me to treat the body as a whole with nutrients and as your mother did, with remedies pasted down through the generations.

Thanks for sharing, and I wish you continued improvement and good health!

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Tue May 12, 2009 8:13 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Thanks CCArm for the best wishes!

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Tue May 12, 2009 8:30 AM EDT
Chum

Very interesting (and scary that it took that long to diagnose). My mom was a big believer in cod liver oil too (and she put wheat germ in everything). We were pretty healthy kids. I'm making my way back to that.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue May 12, 2009 8:48 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Good for you Chum. I believe you'll enjoy life more when you're in better health.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Tue May 12, 2009 4:36 PM EDT
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Stephanie, RN

PIK, Thanks for sharing. I swear my mom has lupus but has had the blood test done. It came back negative. She has alot of the symptoms...a rash that appears when she goes into the sun, arthritis, a miscarriage earlier in life, low energy, etc. All of her other tests are normal too (BS, thyroid, kidney function, lipids and hemoglobin). So, we know it isn't something like that. I really hope we can get her a right diagnosis.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Tue May 12, 2009 10:32 AM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Thanks Stephanie, when the rash appears again, get you mom checked by a rheumatologist because the rheumatologist becomes the primary doctor as it pertains to lupus.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Tue May 12, 2009 3:35 PM EDT
Stephanie, RN

I am sure it will flare up again soon. She had it a couple of weeks ago. She was out in the sun all day. It doesn't show up on her face like a butterfly rash but on her arms, chest and back. It is red and has raised (almost looks like hives) bumps throughout it. They thought maybe she was allergic to the sun but she doesn't even have to be out long before it shows up...

She also had to have one of her cervical disks replaced last year. She is still young (only 46) but they have told her she has arthritis and degenerative disk disease.

I will have to tell her to try the rheumatologist. A dermatologist is the one that did the testing last summer.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Tue May 12, 2009 8:47 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

5.2 - Tell your mom to please, please wear a wide brim hat, long sleeves, and long pants and socks when going out into the sun. It's extremely important that she doesn't expose her skin to the sun.

  • 1 vote
#5.3 - Tue May 12, 2009 9:36 PM EDT
Stephanie, RN

Shouldn't be too hard. The only time she gets hot is when it is like 90 degrees out! Thanks for the advice :)

  • 1 vote
#5.4 - Tue May 12, 2009 10:48 PM EDT
Sue-715551

speaking of hot, I heard a funny joke on the radio today, so bear with me please....

An old guy and his wife go into a doctor's office seeking help for their sex life, the doctor asks, " What seems to be the problem?" The old guy replies, " The first time I make love to my wife, I wind up cold and chilly, but the second time I make love to my wife, I wind up hot and sweaty, what's wrong with me doc?" The doctor looks puzzled until his wife pipes up with, " What the old fart failed to tell ya doc, is the first time we have sex, is in January, and the second time we have sex, is in August!" Ba-boom-ching!

  • 3 votes
#5.5 - Tue May 12, 2009 11:27 PM EDT
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Kate In Greensboro

PIK - one the best attitudes toward Lupus I've ever read - I'm not surprised it's living by your rules at all. (But I am sorry it's living in your house at all, none the less.)

My Mom was mis-diagnosed with Lupus about 30 years ago, eventually correctly diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and COPD. Either way, autoimmune disorders can be devastating. I'm glad you're a fighter.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Tue May 12, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Thanks Kate in G. Rheumatoid arthritis and COPD are both nasty illnesses! I was originally diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and I didn't believe it and kept questioning doctors until my most recent rheumatologist x-rayed my hands and diagnosed osteoarthritis. Wasn't expecting that diagnosis either. The fish oil helps with the pain and the constant typing here on Newsvine helps keeps the joints from stiffing.

  • 1 vote
#7.1 - Tue May 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
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Aleuicius

Some people are never diagnosed - there are many reluctant doctors out there. Then again, maybe it's because I'm male - though I'd swear my mother had it and was never diagnosed. I don't think they even looked

While I have been all but certain I have had SLE for at least the past ten years, the doctors I've seen have taken almost eight to decide I have fibro. Since there is little practical difference between the two until the internal organs are involved (nephritis, pleuritis, et al), I haven't really pursued it further. I even have the rash, but both dermatologists I've seen have barely glanced and proclaimed 'rosacia' - even when I point out that there are two distinct rashes present. It's unfortunate I have OA, so there has been little investigation into the rheumatoid aspect. That is changing, though, as the RA is now dominating.

I think my primary physician is leaning toward SLE, but she wants to be absolutely certain. Too bad SLE isn't so "certain" and definitive - even if it IS often debilitating.

About all that works is diet, rest, moderation of effort, and moderate pain meds.

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Tue May 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Aleuicius, most doctors don't know what to look for.

A few months ago I went in for my regular lupus testing, and since I was due for other check-ups, I saw my primary doctor near my home. What I wanted him to do was to order the lupus tests so they'll be backed when I visited my rheumotologists in D.C. In military clincis, our doctors change everytime the solider rotates, our doctors are mostly soldiers who may or may not be interns. He said he didn't know what tests to order. I told him to look at my records because I'd asked the previous rheumotologist to write in my records the tests needed and I told him if he couldn't find the tests to just call the rheumotologist. When I went in to see my rheumotologist, of course, not all of the tests needed had been ordered and I had to go through the entire procedure, again. Giving blood is my least favorite thing to do because I don't like needles invading my body. I'm due for another lupus check and this time I'll ask the rheumotologist to put in the order to make sure it correct. Also, my rheumotologist okayed my treatment method.

People with autoimmune illnesses or people who think they may have an autoimmune illness have to learn all they can before visiting the doctor because most of the time we have to educate them.

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Tue May 12, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
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steppin stones

I have an aunt who has been recently diagnosed with MS. While it did not take quite as long to diagnose her she is an RN and it still took four years, very sad. With any illness attitude is most important, and good for you that you have figured that out. Thank you for sharing your story.

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Tue May 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Thanks steppin stones! I have a friend who lost her sight to MS. I asked her to write her story for me to post because her story is interesting. She said she might so that tells me she probably won't. What I hope to do is catch her in a good mood and interview her. Her story is one that needs to be heard.

  • 1 vote
#9.1 - Tue May 12, 2009 4:34 PM EDT
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teresa-498430

Hi PowerIsKnowledge, Thanks for sharing your story, sorry that you have this to deal with. I am struck by your outlook and impressed on how you are handling this creep. Kudos!!!! I plan on reading the links you have so diligently posted over the next few days. thanks for those as well.

I wonder if they have ever pinpointed a hereditary factor for Lupus or other autoimmune diseases. I have a cousin that was diagnosed with SLE during a pregnancy and unfortunately it was a combination that did not end well. My niece who was diagnosed with SLE when she was 17 and is in the midst of a flare up this week. There are other autoimmune diseases in other family members so that is why I was wondering.

  • 2 votes
Reply#10 - Tue May 12, 2009 5:35 PM EDT
PowerIsKnowledge

Thanks teresa, it would depend upon who you talk to when discussing whether lupus is hereditary or not. There are many of us who believe it has nothing to do with heredity but is an illness brought on by extreme on-going chronic stress since stress seems to bring on flairs. Since stress can change a person's biological make-up, I, and others, believe this is what causes our immune system to feed on our organs. But whether it's hereditary or not doesn't matter. What matters is how one takes care of themselves after being diagnosed.

  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Tue May 12, 2009 8:15 PM EDT
Sue-715551

I read an article once, about a person with similar symptoms, and had suffered for years with it, turns out she had too much copper in her blood and it was affecting her system. This might not be the case with you, but if you are able to, have a blood test run on the copper ratio in your blood. In the mean time, keep fighting the good fight! Huggs, Sue...

    Reply#12 - Tue May 12, 2009 9:12 PM EDT
    PowerIsKnowledge

    Thanks Sue, I'll have my doctor to order the test.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#13 - Tue May 12, 2009 9:37 PM EDT
    teresa-498430

    PowerIsKnowledge, Thank you for the good advice I will read more on the different suggestions you have made. Maybe I will be able to give my niece some useful hints to discuss with her Docs. Although a 21 year old sometimes is not interested in everything healthy at that tender age. Poor little thing. She went to school in Alaska after she graduated. Turned out to be a poor choice. She did the regular things kids do when they go away to school and that combined with the freezing cold in the winter really stressed her physically. She had quite a flare up. I think that rest and nutrition are really important. You offer some good suggestions, thanks again;~).

    • 3 votes
    Reply#14 - Wed May 13, 2009 12:58 AM EDT
    PowerIsKnowledge

    The Alaskan climate is good for individuals with lupus. Warmer climates can trigger lupus if we spend too much time in the heat. A former dermatologist told me if I could avoid going out during the day my health would be better for it.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#15 - Wed May 13, 2009 4:10 AM EDT
    teresa-498430

    PowerIsKnowledge, That very well could be. Holly did relatively well there until Jan-Feb when here joints and kidneys were affected. She seemed to think the severe cold made the pain much worse. She lives in Montana which is a cold weather climate so maybe what happened in Alaska was coincidental. Although I will add that her education there required lab work in the field(outdoors). Seems extreme temperatures do seem to have an effect. Still reading the links you provided, thanks again.

    • 2 votes
    #15.1 - Wed May 13, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
    PowerIsKnowledge

    You're absolute correct teresa about the cold wrecking havoc on the joints when working outdoors.

    Be Careful In The Sun Two-thirds of the people with lupus have problems with ultraviolet A and B (UVA and UVB) radiation from the sun.

    Don't Let The Weather "Psych You Out" People with lupus are sensitive to changes in barometric pressure. If the weather goes from hot to cold or wet to dry, you might be a bit achier. This will pass. The best climate for lupus patients is one with the fewest changes in the barometer.

    Though cold weather makes my joints ache if I'm expose to long, it doesn't suck the energy out of me like hot weather does but it's different for each lupus survivor.

    • 3 votes
    #15.2 - Wed May 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
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    MizDelight

    PowerisKnowledge:

    You did an excellent job with homeopathic supplements. I noticed that you did not mentioned glocousime (I know it's spelled wrong) Do you feel that has no benefit for you? Great article, you truly know your stuff that is for sure. I mentioned before on another blog about my mom and her sister passing 2 days from each other less than a year ago. The youngest one had Lupus, and she died unexpectedly so the family thought the Lupus killed her.

    We later found out she had a blood clot in her heart and that was the cause of death. You helped me understand what she was dealing with. I do remember near the end she would tired out easily as well, she would always leave family functions almost as soon as she got there using fatigue as the reason for leaving. I am truly grateful for your story, it has helped me to understand what people with Lupus really go through on a daily basis. You made a wise move getting off of the chemicals. I truly admire you.

      Reply#16 - Wed May 13, 2009 7:08 AM EDT
      PowerIsKnowledge

      Thanks MizDelight, lupus is a very misunderstood illness. Most people believe if you don't look sick then you're not. Rarely will an individual with lupus look sick. Many of us can suffer from chronic fatigue though we may not be diagnosed as such, and the fatigue is often overwhelming and can strike at any time.

      This is what I've found on Glucosamine

      Glucosamine / Chondroitin
      Glucosamine and Chondroitin are two of the most popular joint support products available today, and they are taken by adults of all ages and fitness levels.** Puritan's Pride products that include Chondroitin and Glucosamine come in several dosages and are manufactured using the highest standards and quality ingredients.

      Sounds like an excellent product and something I'll consider trying, thanks.

      The therapy I chose may not work for others. I'll tell any and everyone to first visit a Naturopath or Homeopathic and let them come up with an alternative plan.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#17 - Wed May 13, 2009 7:35 AM EDT
      ruthlessmoose

      My wife was diagnosed with Lupus in Aug of 2007, and we still haven't pushed the first initial flare-up into remmision. She has the rash, arthritis, and fatigue. She also developed neuropothy in her feet because of it. (nerve death making skin sensitive to touch, painful) Luckily she has all great doctors that really do care about her. They're always calling the insurance company for us and making sure things are covered. And her primary doctor is always quick to perscribe vitamins and stuff before going right to steroids and narcotics. She's been very strong through the whole thing, and when she isn't I can be strong for her, and the couple times I've lost sight of the end we've just had to hold on together and trust God to bring us through. Trust me... it's hard to do that when you get pushed to the edge!

      One helpful note I'd like to add, Power (or for anyone else interested) is a book my wife read recently. The book is titled "ABC of asthma, allergies and lupus" but the Dr. batmanghelidj (the author) is most well known for "the water cure"... that's probably the better book to read (her mom got her the first one). Also try --- It's all about those unexplained diseases: lupus, asthma, allergies, etc. I'm not one to buy into "crazy natural" remedies... but this has validity, and I have seen first hand the instant positive effects on my wife. The author says that the root cause of all these diseases is chronic dehydration. Every part of the body needs a certain amount of water to work properly. If you don't have enough, the body will steal water from some parts to give to the more fragile areas. dehydrated cells can't work properly and will even get to the point of seeming like foreign objects to your body because they are operating so poorly. 3 days after my wife started this.... she has had ZERO arthritis pain (caused by the lupus). None of the medicines she's had in almost 2 years has done that yet. She has more energy, her whole body feels better, her joints and muscles don't hurt at all. It's actually just one simple conept - you're supposed to drink half your weight number in ounces per day. (ex: 200LB person drinks 100 ounces per day) Unless you're huge like me lol, once you get to a gallon, you can just stop there. Also if you have a hard time drinking that much, he says you need more salt in your diet to help absorb the water. She has been preaching the glory of drinking enough water to everyone she can find after seeing such great results. lol I'm sure she'd appreciate me spreading "the word" for her.

      Great post Powerisknowledge. I'll make sure and tell my wife about this.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#18 - Wed May 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT
      PowerIsKnowledge

      #18 - ruthlessmoose - The author says that the root cause of all these diseases is chronic dehydration.

      I carry a cooler with bottles of water in the trunk of my car every day of the year. I've read reports that stated it doesn't matter what liquid you drink just as long as you fill your body with liquid. I have to disagree because liquids containing alcohol tend to cause dehydration, at least for me. Now don't get me wrong because I enjoy my beer, rum, and wine and I enjoy one of them everyday but I never forget to drink lots of water.

      And I'm going to buy the book, thanks.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#19 - Wed May 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT
      www.CindyHawker.com

      This is an incredible story. It is very similar to the one I read over 12 years ago. One that changed my life.... It needs to be forewarded to the Lupus Line Magazine. Bravo!

      • 1 vote
      Reply#20 - Mon May 18, 2009 3:11 AM EDT
      PowerIsKnowledge

      Thanks CindyHawker. If you'd like to forwarded it please do.

        Reply#21 - Mon May 18, 2009 4:34 AM EDT
        sandy-1419246

        I have SLE and I have taken Plaquenil for months, not once did they say it would cause me to be sleepy. Nore did he tell me about the memory lose from Plaquenil. I have both. I found out I had Lupus when I was 16yrs. I have had to deal with it for about 20 yrs. I am 36 yrs old and just had a flare up a little over a year ago and this has been the worst one in a long time. I guess it is because I am getting older. My newest issue is I cant sleep. I am drained in the day, but come bed time I can not sleep. I was up until 6 am friday night or should I say Saturday morning and then lastnight I was up until 4 am then had to get up for work at 6:30am. I need some advise please help I need sleep

          Reply#22 - Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:19 AM EDT
          PowerIsKnowledge

          sandy, try Valerian root. You can buy it from your local health store. The one I buy comes in 470 mg capsules.

            Reply#23 - Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:31 AM EDT
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