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Ben Stein delivers a Commentary About the Observance of Christmas

Seeded on Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:21 AM EST
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I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees.. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu .. If people want a crche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

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PowerIsKnowledge

Another way to look at Christmas.

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Reply#1 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:22 AM EST
countrycomfort

Besides the name of the holiday I have a hard time associating Christmas with my christian religion anyway.   The Christmas holiday season has come to represent consumerism at its worst to me.  All religions have their independent beliefs and if we all try to have a little understanding (not the media hype) of the others beliefs we would find there is a lot less to argue about then we think there is. 

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:03 AM EST
California Militia

Wow,... there are really people out there who can accept and respect that other individuals have beliefs that may be contrary to their own.

It amazes me how at this time of year when just about everyone will be getting presents regardless of their religious background, that there is so much negativity. If its not someone calling it a consumerism holliday, its someone saying you cant have a manger in front of city hall.

Merry Christmas to all. May god bless us each and every one.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:25 AM EST
countrycomfort

Wouldn't it be wonderful if a place was set aside in front of city hall or in a public park anywhere/everywhere for all religions to set up displays during their holiday periods.  It could be a place for each faith/non-faith to display and explain the traditions of whatthey believe in.  Set up guidelines on how to register the time and dates of your displays and whether or not times overlap that you need to share space and with who.  Could create communication and understanding.......  Ahhhh to dream.....

Well now back to the real world.  Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Seasons Greetings to everyone.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:46 PM EST
California Militia

I was gonna say.....

once everyone was done, then some athiest activist would come along and say you cant do that on public property.

there is just no pleasing everyone because there is always someone who is only happy being discontent

    #3.2 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:03 AM EST
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    dixiedi

    If we could only convince the atheists that it doesn't hurt anyone to learn about other people's beliefs. It doesn't hurt their children to learn about and even practice a little bit of the beliefs of their friends.

    We had a Jewish family in the neighborhood when my kids were growing up. They were all great friends. My kids learned a lot about Kosher dinnerware and food, the Jewish kids learned a lot about Christmas, they all learned about Hanuka. Today, I am not a Catholic, neither are my kids but they are Christians, I am not. All of the Jewish kids are still Jewish even though they exchanged Christmas gifts with my kids. I could go on with what they learned from each other for a long time but the really important thing they learned from each other is there are good people in all walks of life, they all learned tolerance and they learned it won't hurt your own beliefs to accept that others have a different belief and it won't hurt you to participate in their beliefs as a matter of tolerance.

    BTW, who the heck is Nick and Jessica?

      Reply#4 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:56 PM EST
      countrycomfort

      Who cares?

      about nick and jessica of course.

        #4.1 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:16 PM EST
        PowerIsKnowledge

        Atheists already know about various beliefs. That's why many of them became atheists.

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        #4.2 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:50 PM EST
        MrCerebellum

        Does he mean Nick Lache and Jessica Simpson?  The hell do they have to do with anything?

        If we're going to teach christian kids why their schoolmates celebrate hannukah, we should also include (this means the history) why they're different.  Explain to your kids the Jewish stance on Jesus Christ.

        I can bet money that 98% of people who put up a Christmas tree don't know a decorated tree was never a "Christian" tradition.  It was Pagans who decorated trees as the winter had began.  And we all know how Christians think of Pagans - dont we?

          #4.3 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:28 PM EST
          countrycomfort

          Same with the Easter Bunny, Church Steeples, and many other 'christian' traditions.  It would rewrite how the organized churchs do business if we insisted that children be taught religious history.  That subject could make for an interesting School topic.  It bothers me that other cultures actually require children to read the Bible, Tora(spelling?), Koran, Buddhist writings, Hindu, and many others as a lesson in history.  If we (Americans) tried to incorporate all religions into a school history curriculum there would be a revolt in this country.  The issue would tie up the court systems for the next two generations.

            #4.4 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:49 AM EST
            dixiedi

            PIK.

            I don't think they know as much as they think they do if they are so overly concerned that exposure to Christian or any other belief is going to damage their children.

            It may be more akin to them being afraid their children will choose a belief instead of remaining without one as they have chosen to do. Fear is surely their problem with religious beliefs being in any area where they can be seen by the general public.

              #4.5 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:55 PM EST
              PowerIsKnowledge

              Many atheists grew up in religion.

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              #4.6 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:11 PM EST
              dixiedi

              OK, let me put it this way.

              I believe many atheists when all is said and done will speak to God on their own death bed.

              I believe it is the atheists with the most and most loudly spoken complaints that are trying to convince themselves there is no God. For some reason they fear God, they do not want their children around such a God. (really, who could blame them if they fear Him.)

              Atheists who truly believe there is no God would not worry themselves about other beliefs. They would not worry about Christians sharing their beliefs with each other. Nativity scenes,Christmas trees and "Merry Christmas" would simply not bother them any more than the church building on the corner does. They would simply walk by and not really notice. They would be comfortable telling their children the story of Christmas as believed by Christians without fear it will mar them. They would not fear hearing it at school will mar their children.

              Same goes for say the Pleadge of Allegiance in school.

                #4.7 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:25 PM EST
                MrCerebellum

                "I believe many atheists when all is said and done will speak to God on their own death bed"

                What makes you so sure?  Are you aware that the same, deep down reasoning used to justify the existence of God is also used to deny it? 

                To me, you make atheists sounds like gay bashers who are closeted homosexuals.  You made that statement I quoted because you're incapable of actually believing there is no God.  And there isn't one.  It's just a fact of life.

                  #4.8 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:36 PM EST
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                  PowerIsKnowledge

                  What purpose would it serve for children to be taught religious history? Would it increase their earnings in adulthood?

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#5 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:17 AM EST
                  countrycomfort

                  Could.  If you knew more about the people you would be doing business with and had a better understanding of their culture and history would it not make dealing with them more comfortable and natural?  If you understood why someone does something a certain way because of their belief system it would make for less confusion / mistakes / misinterpretation along the way.  Imagine traveling to India for a business meeting with a corporation owned and operated by practicing Hindus - then take them out to dinner and order beef steak for everyone.  There went that deal!

                    #5.1 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:49 AM EST
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                    PowerIsKnowledge

                    It sounds more like you're talking about learning about ones culture and not their religion.

                      Reply#6 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:58 AM EST
                      countrycomfort

                      But isn't the reason that Hindus do not eat beef is because they believe in reincarnation and that you can be reincarnated into a cow?  I figure that would also place the beef issue into religion as well as culture.  If you are dealing with someone in India of the Muslim faith then ordering of beef may not be problematic. Much of what we term culture can be traced back to the religious teaching of generations.  Right or wrong a nation with a majority of any given religion will inevitably incorporate some of the religious beliefs into the national culture.  As business dealing are done with individuals who will be making the decisions or making recommendations on the decision understanding and incorporating that understanding into the transaction could only increase the chances of success. 

                        #6.1 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:19 PM EST
                        PowerIsKnowledge

                        I don't mind learning about cultures but I'm not interested in being forced to learn about religions. Savvy business people learn about the culture they're dealing with before the meeting.

                          #6.2 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:26 PM EST
                          countrycomfort

                          If you've studied or learned about others cultures I bet you know more about the religions of the world than you think you do!

                            #6.3 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:41 PM EST
                            dixiedi

                            Very often around the world culture and religion are much the same thing or one is so influenced by the other that it is difficult to see an apparent difference between the two.

                              #6.4 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:59 PM EST
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                              gladbutterfly

                              Now there's a person of good will. God bless him, and Merry Christmas to all.

                                Reply#7 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:47 PM EST
                                MinnieApolis

                                Glad to know you, Ben, and Happy Hannukah or Happy New Year (if you don't do the Hannukah thing). We have lighted city Christmas trees around and also a very tall menorah display near a highway on-ramp here. It's all good, as far as I am concerned.

                                Tho not the rampant consumerism -- but I guess the recession is taking care of that bit.

                                  Reply#8 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:01 AM EST
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