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The Hymen Mystique

Seeded on Fri Dec 5, 2008 8:15 AM EST
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The hymen is the stuff of legend and lore in many cultures, the treasured prize a woman gives her husband on their wedding night.

To the extent this still holds true, you just have to read the steady stream of stories about women who are undergoing surgery to have their hymens "restored."

Most recently, the topic turned up in the international headlines. A few weeks ago, a French appeals court in the northern city of Douai ruled that virginity could not be considered an "essential quality" for a valid marriage.

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PowerIsKnowledge

Something I never gave thought to.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Fri Dec 5, 2008 8:16 AM EST
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bluearcher

IMO, you have to be some kind of misogynist to adhere to the concept of a womans value based on virginity. This is primarily a Muslim issue...who would have guessed?

Out dated customs and beliefs grounded in myth and prejudice.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Dec 5, 2008 2:28 PM EST
Sir. Thinkswaytoomuch

By the way, if anyone doesn't feel like checking themselves, I'd be happy to do so for you.

    Reply#3 - Fri Dec 5, 2008 3:26 PM EST
    dixiedi

    You can ask any one of my boys, they will tell you I have never done anything like that, not their mom.

      Reply#4 - Fri Dec 5, 2008 5:09 PM EST
      AnnForTruth01

      I know what the hymen is, but must admit not to know what it looks like.  Growing up teenagers very seldom used the term anyway, sex education did not exist, hygiene teaches did not teach much more than how to clean our bodies and parts of our physical makeup and parents were old fashion and would use southern terminology I still can't make sense of today.  They would recite an entire off the wall fairytale just to avoid us from knowing someone had a baby. But this is true, women determine whether or not they are virgins, regardless if they had sex or not. Men (old and young) have their own definitions... in the movie Color Purple, the woman singer Sug like in Sugar told Whoopi Goldberg because she didn't enjoy sex with Danny Glover (who played her husband) and just laid there "so he could do his business", she was still a virgin and because her stepfather raped her and fathered both her children.  So I guess in this sense a woman can be considered a virgin under these circumstances because she really don't know the difference between making love and having sex.  Big difference....

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      Reply#5 - Fri Dec 5, 2008 10:44 PM EST
      PowerIsKnowledge

      Good point AFT713865.

        Reply#6 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 4:01 AM EST
        PowerIsKnowledge

        IMO, you have to be some kind of misogynist to adhere to the concept of a womans value based on virginity. This is primarily a Muslim issue...who would have guessed?

        Believe it or not it's still taught here in non-Christians and Chrisitians homes for the reason you stated and for safety. In locker rooms males still brag about banging virgins.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#7 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 4:08 AM EST
        dixiedi

        I do not have statistics but I would bet everything I own that most mothers try to keep their daughters virginity intact until they are married.

        Unfortunately most do not manage to do it.

        It's not just reputation it's disease, motherhood, loss of everything that both bring about.

        If you had a daughter would you teach her to maintain her virginity with a healthy does if "if you don't" or would you skip the virginity and jump right into the "if you don't education"?

        I'll tell you what I saw when I was still in HS way back when and what I saw when my boys were in HS. Those girls who were taught only "if you don't" method had lots of dates on Friday and Saturday all through HS. Few had dates for the prom, even fewer had serious relationships for years after HS ended. Many had babies while still in HS and never saw the front door of a college or trade school.

        Yep, just forget about virginity, nobody needs it anyway. Right....

          Reply#8 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:27 PM EST
          bluearcher

          dixie,

          I think you went a little off-point there. Perceived "value" of the virgin vs. non virgin. Not so much in regards to the socio-economic consequences of teen pregnancy.

          Referencing the worth of virgins in certain cultures where women are viewed more as property than as individuals.

          • 1 vote
          #8.1 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 5:09 PM EST
          R. Donald Snyder

          When I was in HS girls and guys would engage in what was more politely called "heavy petting", but was really mutual masturbation. There was no fear of pregnancy or disease and most guys (that I'm aware of) were just as satisfied to settle for that rather then nothing at all.

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          #8.2 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 5:43 PM EST
          dixiedi

          I probably did stray after reading all the posts. It's where my mind went with the posts before mine. Not saying they were off topic, just this is what they made me think of.

          More employers would do well to look at the morals of their prospective employees. Rental agents would do as well too. How about insurance companies giving a break to folks with strong moral character or charge a little more to those less moral.

          The odds are all of the above would do well, save money and in the case of employer and rental agent have much happier groups of people to work with if the moral standing was a few notches higher.

            #8.3 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 6:07 PM EST
            bluearcher

            Ouch, dixie!

            And who would be the judge of these "morals"? This is a very slippery slope.

            One persons moral behavior is another persons immoral behavior. Throw in the fact that your average "person of religion" can't separate morals from religious conviction and...

            Salem witch trials, Spanish Inquisition, Jewish pogroms, etc, etc,...

            History is overflowing with examples of "moral judgement".

              #8.4 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 10:29 PM EST
              dixiedi

              bluearcher,

              That's a very good question and one I can not answer. I already said it is not something I do in my personal life, I sure as hell wouldn't want a job doing it.

              BUT, it may be it really isn't that far off. I've read several times now that folks who put their personal business on MySpace and other like sites are finding it a problem when they go job hunting.

                #8.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:52 PM EST
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                PowerIsKnowledge

                I've found, for most individuals, I can't identify a moral individual from a non-moral individual. How do you do it?

                  Reply#9 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 6:25 PM EST
                  dixiedi

                  I can't say that I really pay a lot of attention to other peoples morality but if I HAD to I think I would look at things such as:

                  •  sex outside of marriage - this often leads to all sorts of other behaviors
                  • willingness to take something that is not their own
                  • disrespect for authority figures

                  I really don't know for sure, it's not something I do but I can see where omitting the above characteristics from the place of employment of apartment building could make life a lot nicer for everyone.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.1 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 8:50 PM EST
                  AnnForTruth01

                  Power...,

                  Sometimes it only takes listening to how people structure language when speaking them.  This sounds somewhat silly, but it is true...For example, I was taught a person who uses "I" quite often when talking is a selfish person. Selfish people are about self and most times lack morals or have limited morals. There are many ways to express oneself without using "I" all the time.  There are other clues that were taught to me, but there isn't enough time.

                  dixied,

                  Sometimes authority figures don't deserve any respect and just because they are an authority figures don't necessarily mean we should respect them. It's earned, not given as I often say. I can't imagine being violated by a police officer or any person of authority and then say "Thank you."

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.2 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 10:18 PM EST
                  dixiedi

                  Disagreeing with a post often brings an insult as a reply. However, you did ask ME (I) to explain, rewording it to avoid saying "I" would not have been difficult, but it would have taken more space.

                  Am I a bit selfish? Probably so. There is no pretending in my posts that everybody else comes first and me and mine come last or as part of some group. Nope, my posts are straightforward and contain no vague insults; me and mine come first, everybody else comes second and I, yep, there it is again, I do not make a practice of judging other people's morals, that is between them and their God, or however atheists judge themselves.

                  One should always respect authority figures until they have done something to be undeserving. Attaining that position of authority proves, at least in the beginning, they deserve respect. My comment was about those persons who have no respect for say all cops based on the behavior of a few. You probably know that is what I meant but you could not complete your post without that one retaliatory comment and insinuation that I would approve of a cop that commits an act of violence for no reason.

                    #9.3 - Mon Dec 8, 2008 12:44 PM EST
                    AnnForTruth01

                    dixiedi,

                    The intention was not to insult you. The implication is sometimes authority figures do not deserve any respect, because respect is earned via giving it to others. Notice I only touched on this particular point and not the others, albeit some might argue the other points to. Whatever the case may be, we are all entitled to our opinions, which are neither right or wrong as I often say...This logic doesn't apply to facts. That's all....No pun intended.

                    • 1 vote
                    #9.4 - Mon Dec 8, 2008 1:07 PM EST
                    dixiedi

                    The insult I felt was when you made a specific point to mention the number of times I said "I" when posting my opinion. I, again I, believe that was an insult to me hidden by not stating specifically that you were talking about my post. But come on, what other post were you talking about? Yes Ann, you did intend to insult me, you just didn't think I would be bright enough to see it, hidden as it was to not go against the CoH. Talk about slippery slopes.  ;O)

                      #9.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:57 PM EST
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                      bluearcher

                      ...I was taught a person who uses "I" quite often when talking is a selfish person. Selfish people are about self and most times lack morals or have limited morals.

                      That's just enough of a blanket statement to be scary. Egocentricity = Immorality?

                        Reply#10 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 10:32 PM EST
                        dixiedi

                        That's just enough of a blanket statement to be scary. Egocentricity = Immorality?

                        Anytime someone asks about someone elses opinion, the conversation will contain many "Is". Any one with an opinion must be selfish. Anyone with an opinion must lack morals or have limited morals. Almost every one who visits the Vine must lack morals or have limited morals.

                        You're right bluearcher, that is scary. And just about as dumb as it gets specially when talking about a personal opinion based paragraph.

                          #10.1 - Mon Dec 8, 2008 12:58 PM EST
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