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President Bush Signs Emmett Till Bill Into Law

Sun Nov 9, 2008 9:30 AM EST
politics, bush, law, racism, civil-rights, emmett-till
By PowerIsKnowledge
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By Margena A. Christian

Jet Magazine, Nov. 10, 2008, p. 16

President Bush quietly signed into law the Emmett Till Unsolved Civil Rights Crime Act, which will give the Justice Department more money to investigate unsolved murders from the civil rights era (Jet, Oct. 20-27).

"We are happy that the Till Bill is now the law of the land," said Alvin Sykes, president of the Emmett Till Justice Campaign and architect of the Emmett Till Unsolved Civil Rights Crime Act. "Now the greatest criminal manhunt in this country's history is underway for these perpetrators who thought they had gotten away with their lynchings a long time ago. If they didn't believe this would ever happen before, they'll believe it now!"

The bill was named for the Chicago teen Emmett Till who was murdered in Mississippi in 1955 for allegedly whistling at a White woman.

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PowerIsKnowledge

How does this benefit minorities?

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 9:31 AM EST
GrayHouse

How does it benefit anyone, not just minorities, when we have current crimes to be investigated and most of the perps for these 50 year old crimes are already dead or soon will be? (Not to mention witnesses that have passed way and evidence discarded years ago.)

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 11:47 AM EST
curioustoknow

One person that Amy Goodman interviewed about this gave this answer:

Once again, it is very important to understand that these type of acts are still going on in this country today, and it is so important that young people, my peers, get involved with the movement that still exists. Just like this case was a catalyst for change back in 1955, we continue to believe that it will be a catalyst for change today. The message at hand is the 50th anniversary to Emmett Till’s murder, what are we going to do? This case serve as a reminder of how far we have come and how far we have yet to go. 

And there are a set of online lesson plans for teachers about this case. One of the Learning Outcomes is I think especially clear.

Students will make informed connections between past events and issues today, as well as creatively express historical understanding through multi-media. In addition, students will critically reflect upon the role historical memory plays in promoting informed civic practice.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 12:04 PM EST
Division by Zero

Justice delayed is justice denied. A lot of people who perpetrated civil rights crimes were never punished for it and went on to enjoy life, an enjoyment that their victims and victims' families were denied. Local law enforcement has been unwilling or unable to pursue these cases so I'm glad that the extra weight of the federal government will be brought to bear.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 2:56 PM EST
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PowerIsKnowledge

You can read more about Emmett Till at the web site below.

http://www.emmetttillmurder.com/

And please, no name calling or racist remarks. 

Please stick to topic, thanks.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 9:37 AM EST
curioustoknow

Sad that you even have to request no name calling and racist remarks!  I hope people go to the link and to the second one you posted. Thanks for this.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 9:59 AM EST
curioustoknow

And see, Choosing to Remember and the importance of historical memory.  Other lesson plans on this site have objectives such as: confronting murder; examining choices; connecting the history of lyching to murder.  Go to the Southern Poverty Law Center if you don't believe there's a need to pursue justice without regard for time.  And google gay bashing if you think this is just a race issue.

 http://www.facinghistory.org/resources/lessons/emmett-till-lesson-4-choosing-re

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 12:11 PM EST
PowerIsKnowledge

Thanks for the link curioustoknow. I'm going to refer the site to teacher friends.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 1:43 PM EST
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GeorgeKA

The important part of this legislation os the money. Investigations are expensive the longer they have been dormant, the more expensive they are. Murder has never had a statute of limitations anyway.

It is a good idea, but I fear it will not be very effective. I hope time proves me wrong.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 12:57 PM EST
S. Elaine Jones

TOO LITTLE

TOO LATE

And I for one, AM NOT IMPRESSED!  But hey, thanks GW, for what it is worth!  Like folks really care about past racial injustices and crimes.  They would like nothing better for them to be swept under the rug as they have been. 

    Reply#6 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 1:01 PM EST
    teresa-498430

    I care because sometimes a look back at history gives a guide to moving forward.More information and accountability can help provide more insight into motivations maybe leading to a more just society..

    • 3 votes
    #6.1 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 2:42 PM EST
    S. Elaine Jones

    Notice he QUIETLY signed it.  Probably thinking, oh let me just get this over with so I can get on back to the ranch and have a viable civil rights chapter (more like a paragraph) for my future memoirs.

    • 2 votes
    #6.2 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 2:51 PM EST
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    PowerIsKnowledge

    S. Elaine Jones, what about these people who don't want it swept under the rug. Isn't that the purpose of this? Don't you think there are folks who really care about past racial injusticies and crimes? What about the hate crimes that have happened in the past few years?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#7 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 1:41 PM EST
    S. Elaine Jones

    Yes, I do think there are folks that really care but they have mostly died out and so have the perpetrators.  What good does it do to imprison and infirmed 90 year old racist now?  Like his views will change.  He/she are proud of their actions.  Still!  And I truly believe that.  And the hate crimes in the past few years? ok, I'll give you that one but it is still too little, too late.  Real justice, non-existent.  If it were existent, it would not have taken this long to get this little bone thrown.  And look at the time it was done, right before we usher in a bi-racial President.  GWB had 8 years to do this and all the others before him both Dem and GOP.  Again, I say, too little, too late but we'll take it.  Better than nothing, I suppose but now let's see who has the balls to actually go after the ones in fault.  A bill is simply a piece of paper.  Is there real action behind the paper.  I guess now I can sue those who bombed my late father's church in Alabama and almost killed him?  yeah right...............  

    But, let me hold my disgust at bay. 

    Notice, he QUIETLY signed it..........  Oh gosh, just let me get this over with so I can get on back to the race and have a civil rights chapter for my new memoir. 

    • 2 votes
    #7.1 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 2:46 PM EST
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    PowerIsKnowledge

    It sounds like we have accepted defeat before we've even given the bill a chance. Yes Bush quietly signed it and yes, he probably signed it so he can get on back to the ranch and have a civil rights chapter for his new memoir. But doesn't everything start with a beginning. There was a hate crime reported just this week. A man was shot for wearing an Obama t-shirt. What about him? Can this bill benefit him and others in his situation?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST
    GrayHouse

    From the act:

    ...for investigating and prosecuting violations of criminal civil rights statutes in which the alleged violation occurred before January 1, 1970 and resulted in death.

    The Emmitt Till case has been actively pursued for the last several years and there is a near certainty that nothing can come from the effort. Without a doubt this was an injustice, but it's done and cannot be undone. All of the principals are now dead. There was an effort to pursue others who may have been involved, but found that current evidence wasn't adequate.

    This act effectively takes resources away from the current crime you mention above.

      #8.1 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 4:37 PM EST
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      teresa-498430

      Yes I believe it can

        Reply#9 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 4:22 PM EST
        Aunk (The Cultural Health Guy)

        Hetep and Respect POWERISKNOWLEDGE, I must give credit where credit is do. It is important to put the economic power behind legitimate non-bush law enforcement to track down the Till Criminals and the Cultural Terrorist behind them.

        It must be made clear that Cultural Terrorism and its domestic criminal arm is unacceptable and there is no statue of limitations on that type of crime. 

        Having said that, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In January the books must be opened to the public and legitimate non-bush law enforcement must look into the actions of Bush and the forty thieves and if criminal activity is found, they must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If guilty they should be placed in jail for the rest of their natural lives.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#10 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 4:28 PM EST
        swamijim sez

        PIK

        I find myself with conflicted emotions about this one.  On the one hand, I think it's good that we reaffirm that racial murders don't 'quietly fade away' in the dustbin of history, and that we continue to offer some (incredibly slim) chance for closure to the families who have lived with the anguish of unresolved racial violence.  On the flip side, I can't help but agree with S. Elaine that this is a last-minute & self-serving gesture from Bush, somewhat akin to tossing off a few grudging 'table scraps' for racial justice in the wake of Obama's victory.  On balance, certainly better a delayed & possibly insincere bill approval than none at all.  I am saddened that my own perspectives on Bush & the GOP leadership in general leave me (and apparently many others) seeing this issue as a 'glass half-empty'...

        • 3 votes
        Reply#11 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 8:23 PM EST
        S. Elaine Jones

        Yep, we are on the same page here generally, but re-thinking my feelings based on your critique; many times "table scraps" have been known to feed a starving animal so we'll take what we can get at this juncture and see if nourishment can truly be affected in the future. 

        Thanks for your wonderful post.  (And not because you and I were almost on the same page); because it was so insightful and thought provoking. 

        • 3 votes
        #11.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:06 AM EST
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        PowerIsKnowledge

        What if we take Bush and any hate crime that happened before 1950 out of the mix? Could we then see this bill as being worthwhile and good for our counry?

        • 1 vote
        Reply#12 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:57 AM EST
        S. Elaine Jones

        So what happened pre 1950 is irrelevant?  Ok, let's say we do?  How many teams of lawyers will that take?  Are you cognizant how many hate crimes JUST to African Americans alone have been perpetrated?  Especially in the deep South, many we are still unaware of?  I got four just in my family alone.  Four that I can still see in my minds eye.  But you insist on a positive posture and for that; I'm gonna try to see what you see.  So, yes, it CAN be worthwhile IF enforced TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW. 

        But that naysayer jumps right back atcha?  Will it?  It that be the case, let us start with just one.  Find and prosecute the persons or person who almost killed Georgia Representative John Lewis on the Selma bridge.  Somebody knows who did it? Vindicate him. 

        • 1 vote
        #12.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:11 AM EST
        GrayHouse

        John Lewis is the sponsor of the act and I would speculate that he would prefer others be served by it. He is a very gracious man and has moved on. Plus the act is written to specifically address murder.

        Here's a link to the full text of the act. I cannot post a link, so it is in non-hyperlink form:

        www (dot) govtrack (dot) us/congress/billtext (dot) xpd?bill=h110-923

        Replace the dots to visit the site. This bill essentially allocates funds to pursue civil rights murders prior to 1970 and it expires in 2017.

          #12.2 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:01 AM EST
          S. Elaine Jones

          Thanks Grayhouse.  I will check it out.  Maybe I am somewhat jaded.  I'll try to feel hopeful!  But knowing this info, John will not benefit directly but, he has made it possible for someone to benefit, hopefully. 

          • 1 vote
          #12.3 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:25 AM EST
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          phoenixrising

          Maybe it really doesn't matter where GWB's heart is, it is much more important how he employed his pen (the pen really is mightier than the sword)!

          I fill a saddness for Emmett's mother who didn't live to see some vindication in the form of this bill.

          But it is action and like a ripple in a pond, the waves extend out growing larger and larger who can predict who will ultimately benefit!

          • 3 votes
          Reply#13 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:17 AM EST
          S. Elaine Jones

          Absolutely, the pen is pretty tough, usually!  Beautiful post!  Many times the action we take "today" will only reap benefits "tomorrow". 

          • 2 votes
          #13.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:13 AM EST
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          Mrs Brady

          Well it sure took them long enough but Im glad they finally did .

          • 1 vote
          Reply#14 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:44 AM EST
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